# How do I find the modulus of the average force a sphere gets from colliding with the ground?

#### Chemist116

The problem is as follows:

A ball of $1\,kg$ in mass is thrown with a speed of $-10\vec{j}\,\frac{m}{s}$ from a height of $15\,m$ to a horizontal floor. Find the modulus of the average force in $N$ that the ball receives from the floor during the impact with the ground which lasts $0.1\,s$ and dissipates $150\,J$. (You may use the value of gravity $g=10\,\frac{m}{s^2}$.

The alternatives given in my book are as follows:

$\begin{array}{ll} 1.&290\,N\\ 2.&300\,N\\ 3.&310\,N\\ 4.&320\,N\\ 5.&330\,N\\ \end{array}$

This problem has left me go in circles as I don't know exactly how should I treat or use the information to obtain the average force?. I'm assuming that there is a conservation of momentum but as I mentioned I don't know what to do?. Can somebody help me here?.

#### skeeter

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impulse equation ...

$F \Delta t = m\Delta v \implies F = \dfrac{m\Delta v}{\Delta t}$, where $F$ is the average force of impact changing momentum

you have mass and delta t, you need the change in velocity from impact with the ground

total initial mechanical energy = kinetic energy at impact

$mgh + \dfrac{1}{2}mv_0^2 = \dfrac{1}{2}mv_f^2 \implies v_f = -\sqrt{2gh + v_0^2} = -20 \text{ m/s}$

post impact, the velocity is positive and has 150J less energy ...

impact KE = $\dfrac{1}{2}m(-20)^2 = 200 \text{ J} \implies$ post impact KE = $50 \text{ J}$

bounce velocity $\dfrac{1}{2}mv_f^2 = 50 \implies v_f = 10 \text{ m/s}$

change in velocity from impact with the ground is $\Delta v = [10 - (-20)] \text{ m/s} = 30 \text{ m/s}$

$F = \dfrac{m\Delta v}{\Delta t} = 300 \text{ N}$

• Chemist116, topsquark and DarnItJimImAnEngineer

#### Chemist116

impulse equation ...

$F \Delta t = m\Delta v \implies F = \dfrac{m\Delta v}{\Delta t}$, where $F$ is the average force of impact changing momentum

you have mass and delta t, you need the change in velocity from impact with the ground

total initial mechanical energy = kinetic energy at impact

$mgh + \dfrac{1}{2}mv_0^2 = \dfrac{1}{2}mv_f^2 \implies v_f = -\sqrt{2gh + v_0^2} = -20 \text{ m/s}$

post impact, the velocity is positive and has 150J less energy ...

impact KE = $\dfrac{1}{2}m(-20)^2 = 200 \text{ J} \implies$ post impact KE = $50 \text{ J}$

bounce velocity $\dfrac{1}{2}mv_f^2 = 50 \implies v_f = 10 \text{ m/s}$

change in velocity from impact with the ground is $\Delta v = [10 - (-20)] \text{ m/s} = 30 \text{ m/s}$

$F = \dfrac{m\Delta v}{\Delta t} = 300 \text{ N}$
All uses a pretty good logic but I'm wondering why the answers sheet states that the answer is $310\,N$?. Could it be that is there anything missing or overlooked during the analysis?. Can you check this please?. #### skeeter

Math Team
Maybe someone else can do the problem ...

#### DarnItJimImAnEngineer

*facepalm!*
The net force is equal to 300 N! But the earth is still imparting downward momentum on the ball at a rate of 10 N, so the floor must impart that much more upward momentum.
$F_{floor} = ma - F_g = \pm 300 ~N ~\vec{j} \pm 10 ~N ~\vec{j} = \pm 310 ~N ~\vec{j}$ (depending on whether $\vec{j}$ is up or down).

It took me about five minutes to realise that mistake.
Another feather in the cap of "Always, always, always draw your free-body diagram."

• Chemist116

#### Chemist116

*facepalm!*
The net force is equal to 300 N! But the earth is still imparting downward momentum on the ball at a rate of 10 N, so the floor must impart that much more upward momentum.
$F_{floor} = ma - F_g = \pm 300 ~N ~\vec{j} \pm 10 ~N ~\vec{j} = \pm 310 ~N ~\vec{j}$ (depending on whether $\vec{j}$ is up or down).

It took me about five minutes to realise that mistake.
Another feather in the cap of "Always, always, always draw your free-body diagram."
I totally overlooked this part. At first I didn't noticed but it seems that $F_g=mg=1\,kg\times 10\frac{m}{s^2}=10\,N$ In this case I believe it is upward. 