July 3rd, 2017, 05:31 PM  #1 
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: zagreb, croatia Posts: 234 Thanks: 33 Math Focus: philosophy/found of math, metamath, logic, set/category/order/number theory, algebra, topology  Euler characteristic
Where can I find a complete and rigorous proof that it's welldefined? For manifolds. When you polygonalize them, show that no matter how you do it, you get the same integer. Also, where can I find a proof it's a topological invariant? Last edited by skipjack; August 1st, 2017 at 02:30 AM. 
July 12th, 2017, 07:26 AM  #2 
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I think that "Introduction to topological manifolds" by Lee gives the proof you seek. The only thing it doesn't prove explicitly is that surfaces have a triangulation, but that is fairly technical to prove actually.
Last edited by skipjack; August 1st, 2017 at 02:30 AM. 
July 31st, 2017, 09:58 AM  #3 
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: zagreb, croatia Posts: 234 Thanks: 33 Math Focus: philosophy/found of math, metamath, logic, set/category/order/number theory, algebra, topology 
Thanks. Also, I wonder what happens in higher dimensions? How do you even define Euler characteristic for an arbitrary manifold? It has to be compact or what? You then polytopize it, or what? Or via simplicial/CW complexes? It's defined by Betti numbers and homology groups, but can it be shawn maybe it's the same thing? As for a manifold to even have a polytopization or whatever, a general proof that every compact surface has a rectangular decomposition is given in Lefschetz's Introduction To Topology. 
July 31st, 2017, 10:30 AM  #4 
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The easiest way to define the Euler characteristic and to show it is an invariant is through homology theory. Lee does this in his book. Note that in higher dimensions, manifolds are not always triangularizable. 
July 31st, 2017, 03:14 PM  #5 
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: zagreb, croatia Posts: 234 Thanks: 33 Math Focus: philosophy/found of math, metamath, logic, set/category/order/number theory, algebra, topology  Because triangles are twodimensional? How about simplicial complexes, then? Or something more general?

July 31st, 2017, 03:35 PM  #6 
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Nono, a triangulation is more than triangles. It can involve tetrahedrons etc too. Formally it is finding a simplical complex that is homeomorphic to the space. You can do this for any 2dimensional and 3dimensional manifold, but not higher in general.

July 31st, 2017, 03:41 PM  #7  
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: zagreb, croatia Posts: 234 Thanks: 33 Math Focus: philosophy/found of math, metamath, logic, set/category/order/number theory, algebra, topology  Quote:
Why not, though? I don't see it...can you prove it please?  
August 1st, 2017, 02:26 AM  #8 
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It is very difficult to prove. But see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_manifold 

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