February 26th, 2018, 08:49 AM  #11  
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$$S = \lim_n S_n$$ (whatever this means) For which exact natural number do we have $S=S_n$ then exactly?  
February 26th, 2018, 09:21 AM  #12  
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I prefer to think of Sn as "Something" n, where "Something" is defined for every (all) n, for example, a proposition, definition, nplace decimal, number sequence, Last edited by zylo; February 26th, 2018 at 09:29 AM.  
February 26th, 2018, 10:04 AM  #13  
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So what would a natural number be if it has no exact explcit notation?  
February 26th, 2018, 10:23 AM  #14  
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I can define Sn for all n, so Sn has a definition for all n. So $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}$ defines S. If I could only define Sn for a finite number of terms, I couldn't define S. EDIT: Ex of infinite sequence of binary digit: 101010......10 to n places and let n $\displaystyle \rightarrow \infty$ Bottom line is, the only mathematical (hard) definition for $\displaystyle $\displaystyle \infty$$ I can think of is induction, ie, for all n. Just out of curiosity, what do you think "an infinite sequence of binary digits" means, and how would you give an example of one? Last edited by zylo; February 26th, 2018 at 10:39 AM.  
February 26th, 2018, 10:26 AM  #15 
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Wait, are you talking about something like $$S=123456789101112....$$ and then an infinite number of digits? Your post seems to suggest this. You do realize that those things won't be natural numbers though, right? 
February 26th, 2018, 11:18 AM  #16  
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S is a specific, unique, unending sequence. As such, it is a member of {Sn} Last edited by zylo; February 26th, 2018 at 11:22 AM.  
February 26th, 2018, 11:48 AM  #17 
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February 26th, 2018, 12:17 PM  #18 
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February 26th, 2018, 01:12 PM  #19 
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I said Sn was not a natural number. I simply meant it to be an example of something constructed, or defined by, natural numbers. If it makes it easier, put spaces between. S$\displaystyle _{11}$ = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}$ Sn =1 2 3,......,12578, .......... If none of {Sn} are unending, then there has to be a maximum value of n for Sn. There isn't. Last edited by skipjack; February 27th, 2018 at 01:37 AM. 
February 26th, 2018, 02:21 PM  #20  
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I mention this so that you can calibrate the state of my knowledge. Can you please explain how $(S_n)$ has a different limit than $(n)$ in the hyperreals or hyperintegers? Thanks much. Last edited by Maschke; February 26th, 2018 at 02:33 PM.  

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