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 xinglongdada May 2nd, 2012 11:49 PM

f a.e. equals zero

Let , and for any measuable subset with , we have . Here is the Lebesgue measure on . Show that .

 mathman May 3rd, 2012 04:13 PM

Re: f a.e. equals zero

General idea: Proof by contradiction. Assume f ? 0 on a set A of positive measure. A can be divided into 2 disjoint sets A+ and A- where f > 0 on A+ and f < 0 on A-. Since they are disjoint and the union has positive measure, at least one of them has positive measure. The integral of f over the set with positive measure cannot be 0 (possibly both).

Added note: I am not sure I understood your question. Is there one value for c or for every value of c?

 xinglongdada May 3rd, 2012 09:11 PM

Re: f a.e. equals zero

Quote:
 Originally Posted by mathman General idea: Proof by contradiction. Assume f ? 0 on a set A of positive measure. A can be divided into 2 disjoint sets A+ and A- where f > 0 on A+ and f < 0 on A-. Since they are disjoint and the union has positive measure, at least one of them has positive measure. The integral of f over the set with positive measure cannot be 0 (possibly both). Added note: I am not sure I understood your question. Is there one value for c or for every value of c?

Year, the is fixed...So your argument does not apply to this problem. Anyway, thank you very much.

 mathman May 4th, 2012 05:50 PM

Re: f a.e. equals zero

I haven't worked it out in detail, but it looks like you could assume that the interval can be divided into three sets A+ (f > 0), A- (f < 0), and A0 (f = 0).

If either m(A+) or m(A-) > c, you can truncate that one to get m = c with an integral ? 0.

If both m(A+) and m(A-) < c and m(A0) > 0, A+ can be supplemented by including part of A- only or by including part of A0 as well (I am expressing myself poorly), to get sets of measure c, but with different integrals.

Finally in case m(A0) = 0, while both m(A+) and m(A-) < c, you can start with A- and add part of A+ or start with A+ and add part of A- until you get to something with a measure of c. The integrals should be different.

 xinglongdada May 5th, 2012 11:53 PM

Re: f a.e. equals zero

Quote:
 Originally Posted by mathman I haven't worked it out in detail, but it looks like you could assume that the interval can be divided into three sets A+ (f > 0), A- (f < 0), and A0 (f = 0). If either m(A+) or m(A-) > c, you can truncate that one to get m = c with an integral ? 0. If both m(A+) and m(A-) < c and m(A0) > 0, A+ can be supplemented by including part of A- only or by including part of A0 as well (I am expressing myself poorly), to get sets of measure c, but with different integrals. Finally in case m(A0) = 0, while both m(A+) and m(A-) < c, you can start with A- and add part of A+ or start with A+ and add part of A- until you get to something with a measure of c. The integrals should be different.
I'm not sure you are right...So many poor proof.

 mathman May 6th, 2012 01:51 PM

Re: f a.e. equals zero

I agree it is poorly expressed. However the general idea is correct. Since c < 1, you can construct various combinations from A+ and A- to get sets of measure c, but with different integrals.

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