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 October 17th, 2010, 11:24 AM #1 Newbie   Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Proving that a space is continuous, continuous at 0, and bdd My problem is that I have a space I need to prove the following are equivalent: A. T is continuous. B. T is continuous at 0. C. T is bounded. Thanks. October 18th, 2010, 01:14 PM #2 Senior Member   Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Re: Proving that a space is continuous, continuous at 0, and Obvious. To show we show that and then that . Suppose is continuous at . Take and . Since is continuous at there exists such that for all such that . Hence, if we have that wich gives us that is continuous at . Thus is continuous. Suppose is continuous. Consider the set . We have that is a compact set since the norm is a continous function from to , and is compact on . Hence since is continous \in A\}" /> is a compact set wich gives us that \in A\}" /> is a real bounded set. Take . We have that for all wich gives us that for all , . Hence for all since . Thus is bounded and then . Suppose is bounded. Then there exists such that for all . Take and . Consider . If we have that . Hence is continuous at wich gives that is continuous. October 18th, 2010, 05:51 PM   #3
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 Originally Posted by parasio Just making a few corrections Obvious. To show we show that and then that . Suppose is continuous at . Take and . Since is continuous at there exists such that for all such that . Hence, if we have that wich gives us that is continuous at . Thus is continuous. Suppose is continuous. Consider the set . We have that is a compact set since the norm is a continous function from to , and is compact on . Hence since is continous \in A\}" /> is a compact set wich gives us that \in A\}" /> is a real bounded set. Take . We have that for all wich gives us that for all , . Hence for all since . Thus is bounded and then . Suppose is bounded. Then there exists such that for all . Take and . Consider . If we have that . Hence is continuous at wich gives us that is continuous. October 18th, 2010, 06:33 PM   #4
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 Originally Posted by parasio Obvious. To show we show that and then that . Suppose is continuous at . Take and . Since is continuous at there exists such that for all such that . Hence, if we have that wich gives us that is continuous at . Thus is continuous. Suppose is continuous. Consider the set . We have that is a compact set since the norm is a continous function from to , and is compact on . Hence since is continous \in A\}" /> is a compact set wich gives us that \in A\}" /> is a real bounded set. Take . We have that for all wich gives us that for all , . Hence for all since . Thus is bounded and then . Suppose is bounded. Then there exists such that for all . Take and . Consider . If we have that . Hence is continuous at wich gives that is continuous.

How can we know that your proof :B=>A is correct?? October 18th, 2010, 07:30 PM #5 Senior Member   Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Re: Proving that a space is continuous, continuous at 0, and Suppose is continuous at . To show that is continuous you must show that is continuous at for all . Then you take an arbitrary and show that for all there exists such that for all such that . This is what I did here. Take arbitrary. Now take arbitrary. Since is continuous at there exists such that for all such that . Hence, if we have that wich gives us that is continuous at . Thus is continuous. There was a little mistake here, instead of "such that for all such that " it should be written such that " for all such that ". In the demonstration above it's already corrected. If you have any problem just write me. October 19th, 2010, 02:57 PM   #6
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 Originally Posted by parasio Suppose is continuous at . To show that is continuous you must show that is continuous at for all . Then you take an arbitrary and show that for all there exists such that for all such that . This is what I did here. Take arbitrary. Now take arbitrary. Since is continuous at there exists such that for all such that . Hence, if we have that wich gives us that is continuous at . Thus is continuous. There was a little mistake here, instead of "such that for all such that " it should be written such that " for all such that ". In the demonstration above it's already corrected. If you have any problem just write me.

To get |y-x|<? you have to use the substitution : y= y-x , infering that x=0 and thus proving continuity not for all ,x?E ,BUT FOR x=0 only.

Correct?? October 19th, 2010, 06:19 PM #7 Senior Member   Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Re: Proving that a space is continuous, continuous at 0, and You have that for all such that . Now here's what I did. is a fixed point. For all we have that since is a linear space. Hence if you take such that you have from the above sentence that . Any problem write again. October 20th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #8
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 Originally Posted by paraiso You have that for all such that . Now here's what I did. is a fixed point. For all we have that since is a linear space. Hence if you take such that you have from the above sentence that . Any problem write again.
That substitution works.

Now i have a question concerning the laws of logic involved in the above proof.

Since we know that in every mathematical proof we have the laws of logic applied on the theorems,definitions, or axioms involved in the proof and hence giving us the statements of the proof,which would you concur, are the laws of logic taking place in the above proof?? October 20th, 2010, 04:36 PM #9 Senior Member   Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 172 Thanks: 5 Re: Proving that a space is continuous, continuous at 0, and Logic is present in everything you do in mathematics. I don't know the names of the laws applied here it's been a long time since I studied logic for the last time. October 20th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #10
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 Originally Posted by paraiso Logic is present in everything you do in mathematics. I don't know the names of the laws applied here it's been a long time since I studied logic for the last time.

You mean long time ago you could recognise the laws of logic involved in a mathematical analysis proof and now due to the lapse of time you cannot?? Tags bdd, continuous, proving, space Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page Display Modes Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post William_33 Complex Analysis 2 April 16th, 2013 11:59 AM frankpupu Calculus 2 February 9th, 2012 05:43 PM guroten Real Analysis 2 November 5th, 2010 01:46 PM summerset353 Real Analysis 2 February 22nd, 2010 03:37 PM babyRudin Real Analysis 6 October 24th, 2008 12:58 AM

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