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November 11th, 2014, 06:31 AM   #11
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 Originally Posted by M_B_S A) Solution: all matter in a Black Hole is destroyed to massless particles = photons in time.
I claim that there is matter in our universe. Are you claiming otherwise?

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 Originally Posted by M_B_S B) There will be light:= Genesis of a new born Universe
This doesn't seem to respond to my claim that there is a singularity in a Kerr black hole with rotational speed c.

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 Originally Posted by M_B_S C) Matter is created by photon collidering (=>Gravitation)
Are you suggesting that the universe is no longer spinning at c, after these (dubious-sounding) matter-forming collisions? Wouldn't that mean you have a singularity again, negating the whole point of the claim?

November 11th, 2014, 06:53 AM   #12
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 Originally Posted by CRGreathouse I claim that there is matter in our universe. Are you claiming otherwise? Yes there is matter after our Black Hole explode in a Big Bang This doesn't seem to respond to my claim that there is a singularity in a Kerr black hole with rotational speed c. Yes this singularity triggers the Big Bang explosion: All Matter is Light! (massless) Are you suggesting that the universe is no longer spinning at c, after these (dubious-sounding) matter-forming collisions? Wouldn't that mean you have a singularity again, negating the whole point of the claim?
Correct because of matter creation (Gravitation) ( Hadrons Electrons Positrons etc.) after the Big Bang => New Black Holes => New Big Bang(s)

@ lightspeed is not lightspeed because we see matter in our universe.

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November 11th, 2014, 09:48 AM   #13
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 Originally Posted by M_B_S Correct because of matter creation (Gravitation) ( Hadrons Electrons Positrons etc.) after the Big Bang => New Black Holes => New Big Bang(s) @ lightspeed is not lightspeed because we see matter in our universe. M_B_S
Two questions for the sake of clarity.

(1) What do you mean by "rotation at c?" c is a linear speed, not rotational. As point in fact relativity places no limit on how fast an object can rotate.

(2) "@ lightspeed is not lightspeed because we see matter in our universe." Huh?

And just because a theory is "simple" does not mean it is correct. Only experiment can say what theory is correct.

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 November 11th, 2014, 01:31 PM #14 Senior Member   Joined: Nov 2013 From: Germany Posts: 179 Thanks: 1 Math Focus: Number Theory (1) Only massles partikel in the Black Hole (photons) => Big Bang := Light =pure energy (The reason for this kind of Big Bang is: Gravitation is no more existant) (2) @lightspeed means near lightspeed Mass creation by photon collide <=> Gravitation creation => Black Hole creation => another Big Bang (Universe) M_B_S
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 Originally Posted by M_B_S (1) Only massles partikel in the Black Hole (photons) => Big Bang := Light =pure energy (The reason for this kind of Big Bang is: Gravitation is no more existant)
As we have no idea of what the state of matter is inside a black hole we really can't say, can we? So why would they have to be photons?

Light is not "pure energy." Photons are particles that carry energy, just like any other particle.

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 Originally Posted by M_B_S (2) @lightspeed means near lightspeed Mass creation by photon collide <=> Gravitation creation => Black Hole creation => another Big Bang (Universe) M_B_S
You haven't answered my question. You are speaking of a rotating object rotating at lightspeed. Rotation is motion around an axis (or multiple axes if you want to be complicated) and angular speed is measured in rad/s, not m/s. What is moving at c??

Aside from the fact that photons interact so weakly with each other that any black hole production from them would be extremely small, why would any particle collisions create black holes?

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 Originally Posted by topsquark As we have no idea of what the state of matter is inside a black hole we really can't say, can we? So why would they have to be photons? A) Light is not "pure energy." Photons are particles that carry energy, just like any other particle. B) You haven't answered my question. You are speaking of a rotating object rotating at lightspeed. Rotation is motion around an axis (or multiple axes if you want to be complicated) and angular speed is measured in rad/s, not m/s. What is moving at c?? C)Aside from the fact that photons interact so weakly with each other that any black hole production from them would be extremely small, why would any particle collisions create black holes? -Dan
A) Photons are massless particles because they move with Light Speed

a) All massive partikels in a Black Hole are crashed to Photons

ai) A spinning Black Hole is like a onion with orbits for every heavy partikel with mass.

Postulate: All Black Holes are spinning

If a massive object falls in it crashes threw its unique orbit and is destroyed untill it gets a photon. This process needs time.

The Event Horizon is a Photon Corona

B) Light (corona orbit) spinning in rotation direction

NASA | Peer into a Simulated Stellar-mass Black Hole - YouTube

NASA | Peer into a Simulated Stellar-mass Black Hole

C) You need massive matter particles to get Newtons Gravitation Force

Photons collide in a Big Bang and create massiv matter Hydrogen etc.

=>Stars => New Black Holes are possible

Mass is created in a Big Bang = exploding Black Hole = White Hole (only light) by photon collide.

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 November 12th, 2014, 12:50 AM #17 Senior Member   Joined: Nov 2013 From: Germany Posts: 179 Thanks: 1 Math Focus: Number Theory E²=P²C²+m²C²C² <=> E_u² = (M_u*C^5)²/(2*G*H_u)² Here we see Einsteins formular @ work in a Black Hole The simple unification is done Pythagoras <=> Einstein A²+B²=C² <=> E²=P²C²+m²C²C² a proof of the mathematical universe ?! M_B_S Last edited by M_B_S; November 12th, 2014 at 01:24 AM.
 November 12th, 2014, 02:30 AM #18 Senior Member   Joined: Nov 2013 From: Germany Posts: 179 Thanks: 1 Math Focus: Number Theory Pythagoras meets Einstein E=mc² is Incomplete - YouTube E=mc² is Incomplete => E²=(mc²)²+(pc)² E_u with m=0 means only photons := pc the ultrarelativistic limit made possible in a Black Hole E = p c => The Big Bang
 November 12th, 2014, 03:26 AM #19 Senior Member   Joined: Apr 2014 From: Glasgow Posts: 2,155 Thanks: 731 Math Focus: Physics, mathematical modelling, numerical and computational solutions That paper is total trash. I can explain why, but it is trashy to the point of being almost self-evident so I won't insult your intelligence by doing so. Grab a textbook on cosmology and educate yourself using actual science with actual evidence rather than poisoning your brain with this drivel. Seriously... it really is that bad. In fact I've never read a paper on vixra.org with any merit. I would avoid that website like the plague unless you want something funny to read! Although the Big Bang is our current best theory for evolution of the Universe, there are plenty of plausible alternatives. Here's a Wikipedia link that lists most (all?) of them: Non-standard cosmology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Thanks from topsquark
November 12th, 2014, 04:19 AM   #20
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 Originally Posted by Benit13 That paper is total trash. I can explain why, but it is trashy to the point of being almost self-evident so I won't insult your intelligence by doing so. Grab a textbook on cosmology and educate yourself using actual science with actual evidence rather than poisoning your brain with this drivel. Seriously... it really is that bad. In fact I've never read a paper on vixra.org with any merit. I would avoid that website like the plague unless you want something funny to read! Although the Big Bang is our current best theory for evolution of the Universe, there are plenty of plausible alternatives. Here's a Wikipedia link that lists most (all?) of them: Non-standard cosmology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
American Journal of Astronomy and Astrophysics :: Science Publishing Group

1969MNRAS.142..129H Page 129
Title: On the rotation of the Universe
Authors: Hawking, S.

Journal: Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Vol. 142, p.129
Bibliographic Code: 1969MNRAS.142..129H

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