June 13th, 2017, 07:03 PM  #1 
Senior Member Joined: May 2015 From: Arlington, VA Posts: 277 Thanks: 23 Math Focus: Number theory  Twosphere pendulum
A ball of diameter D, inside a spherical shell of radius D, both with adequate friction at initial contact between equators, act as a pendulum with what period?
Last edited by Loren; June 13th, 2017 at 07:08 PM. 
June 14th, 2017, 04:38 AM  #2 
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: Glasgow Posts: 2,076 Thanks: 695 Math Focus: Physics, mathematical modelling, numerical and computational solutions 
Um... same period as a regular pendulum with a mass equal to the total mass of the ball and shell? Not sure...

June 14th, 2017, 06:29 AM  #3 
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A diagram that illustrates how it acts as a pendulum might be useful.

June 14th, 2017, 07:40 AM  #4 
Global Moderator Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 18,164 Thanks: 1423  I think the shell is static, making its mass irrelevant. The question indicates that the ball rolls rather than slips, but without losing energy. Google finds several worked examples of this type of "pendulum", but they don't allow for the large angle of oscillation specified in this problem.

June 14th, 2017, 08:35 AM  #5  
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2014 From: Glasgow Posts: 2,076 Thanks: 695 Math Focus: Physics, mathematical modelling, numerical and computational solutions  Quote:
 
June 14th, 2017, 09:15 AM  #6 
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Assuming that the shell is hemispherical, one can reasonably assume that the ball starts as illustrated below. Pendulum.PNG 
June 14th, 2017, 04:02 PM  #7 
Senior Member Joined: May 2015 From: Arlington, VA Posts: 277 Thanks: 23 Math Focus: Number theory 
Would a twodimensional, frictionless pendulum simplify the OP (now no slipping)? The ball would initially be released where the equators meet. Thanks for the diagram, skipjack. 
June 15th, 2017, 01:24 AM  #8 
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Do you mean that the ball doesn't "roll" at all?

June 15th, 2017, 09:30 AM  #9 
Senior Member Joined: May 2015 From: Arlington, VA Posts: 277 Thanks: 23 Math Focus: Number theory 
I submit two "extremes"; the ball sliding without friction, or the ball rolling with just enough friction to cause it not to slide.


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