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April 15th, 2018, 12:40 PM   #21
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 Originally Posted by Conway51 lol...ok.....so post #12 puts us in agreement 0 is equal to any number or type of operations on itself by itself.....shall we continue... on a side note....what is the difference between 0 and undefined as the sum......?....lol
So you agree that 0*0 = 0 then since the product rule of probability forces us to?

April 15th, 2018, 12:42 PM   #22
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 Originally Posted by Micrm@ss So you agree that 0*0 = 0 then since the product rule of probability forces us to?
I agreed that operations of zero by zero are not expressible as a sum...lucky for me....

0 and 0 * 0 are already the SAME thing in mathematics.......

 April 15th, 2018, 12:43 PM #23 Senior Member   Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 548 Thanks: 174 Since you probably don't understand probability or set theory, here's another one. If you buy n bananas and m coconuts, the total prize you pay is n*(prize of a banana) + m*(prize of a coconut) So every day three people come in the store. Person 1 buys 1 banana and 3 coconuts. Person 2 buys 0 bananas and 2 coconuts. Person 3 buys 3 bananas and 0 coconuts. So if one day the store holds a sale and hands out bananas for 0 dollars and coconuts for 1 dollar, person 1 pays 3 dollars, person 3 pays 0 dollars, and person 2 pays undefined dollars? Nice.
April 15th, 2018, 12:44 PM   #24
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 Originally Posted by Conway51 0 and 0 * 0 are already the SAME thing in mathematics.......
So if they are the same thing, then 0=0*0. Good.

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 Originally Posted by Micrm@ss Since you probably don't understand probability or set theory, here's another one. If you buy n bananas and m coconuts, the total prize you pay is n*(prize of a banana) + m*(prize of a coconut) So every day three people come in the store. Person 1 buys 1 banana and 3 coconuts. Person 2 buys 0 bananas and 2 coconuts. Person 3 buys 3 bananas and 0 coconuts. So if one day the store holds a sale and hands out bananas for 0 dollars and coconuts for 1 dollar, person 1 pays 3 dollars, person 3 pays 0 dollars, and person 2 pays undefined dollars? Nice.

Nothing in mathematics requires us to operate on varying amounts of zero.....a string of zero's with operators is just fine for a solution

There is no difference between paying 0 dollars for a fruit and paying undefined for the fruit....again...I offered a solution to by pass this problem...perhaps you do not wish to discuss this but only debate?

April 15th, 2018, 12:48 PM   #26
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 Originally Posted by Conway51 There is no difference between paying 0 dollars for a fruit and paying undefined for the fruit....again...I offered a solution to by pass this problem...perhaps you do not wish to discuss this but only debate?
Cool.

Why don't you write some software for a store which computes how much the client should pay for their purchase. Then go explain to them why some clients had to pay an "undefined" number of dollars. Good luck. But at least n/0 works!

April 15th, 2018, 12:49 PM   #27
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 Originally Posted by Micrm@ss Cool. Why don't you write some software for a store which computes how much the client should pay for their purchase. Then go explain to them why some clients had to pay an "undefined" number of dollars. Good luck. But at least n/0 works!
If I told them paying undefined was the same as zero...do you think they would care?

Thank you for your time....seriously. Good luck.

April 15th, 2018, 12:53 PM   #28
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 Originally Posted by Conway51 If I told them paying undefined was the same as zero...do you think they would care? Thank you for your time....seriously. Good luck.
If zero is the same as undefined, why not just output zero? Why invent a new name for zero?

 April 15th, 2018, 12:56 PM #29 Senior Member   Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 548 Thanks: 174 And as somebody who has written software for companies: yes, they would definitely care if some of their output got to be "undefined" and I told them to just "interpret it as zero". I'd get fired on the spot.
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 Originally Posted by Micrm@ss If zero is the same as undefined, why not just output zero? Why invent a new name for zero?
I did not invent a new name...I "invented" an integer form of the element...the element zero is fundamental and can not be "outputted".....

I do not really believe I invented anything......as the ONLY form of defense standing in front of "multiple additive identities" is the equal sign.......

"numerical superstition"

It is fortitious that superposition already exists....and can lend credence to this thought....

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