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 April 26th, 2017, 08:10 AM #1 Senior Member   Joined: Mar 2015 From: England Posts: 177 Thanks: 5 Min Max range from one Prime to the next Take the Prime you want and the number of Prime it is and you can find the Minimum and Maximum range between the chosen one and the next one. -Prime / n of Prime = || -Prime + (n * ||) + n = a Pronic - (a * (n - 1)) = b b / n = || + = z (1 + z) / 2 = Min + 2 Max +(c * 2) EXAMPLE -3 / 2 = 1 -3 + (2 * 1) + 2 = 1 6 - (1 * (2 - 1)) = 5 5 / 2 = 2 1 + 2 = 3 (1 + 3) / 2 = 2 Min + 2 Max + (2*2) This means that after 3 it can only be 5 or 7 I'm pretty sure this has never been done before, and I think this is why the ancients considered Pronics to be so important. this means round down. |n| this means absolute value Last edited by HawkI; April 26th, 2017 at 08:15 AM.
 April 26th, 2017, 10:22 AM #2 Senior Member   Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,262 Thanks: 295 I didn't follow your notation or your idea but are you aware that the distance between consecutive primes is unbounded? Thanks from topsquark
April 27th, 2017, 11:26 AM   #3
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Thank you for the feed back I have looked into this

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 Originally Posted by HawkI Sets You can also have a bounded and unbounded set of numbers. This definition is much simpler, but remains similar in meaning to the previous two. A bounded set is a set of numbers that has an upper and a lower bound. For example, the interval [2,401) is a bounded set, because it has a finite value at both ends. Also, you could have a bounded set of numbers like this: {1,1/2,1/3,1/4...}, An unbounded set would have the opposite characteristics; its upper and/or lower bounds would not be finite.

So far when ever I have tested the set of instructions, there has always been a finite set to choose from.

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 Originally Posted by HawkI So far when ever I have tested the set of instructions, there has always been a finite set to choose from.
Do you understand that I can find gaps between successive primes of 10 thousand, 10 million, 10 billion, 10 trillion, 10 gazillion? And that there is no upper bound on how high that number can go?

Does that affect your idea? As I say, I couldn't actually understand what you're trying to say.

 April 27th, 2017, 12:50 PM #5 Senior Member   Joined: Mar 2015 From: England Posts: 177 Thanks: 5 Ok so what I'm trying to say is, between a chosen Prime and the next Prime my instructions does indeed seem to say there is a finite amount in min and max range between the chosen and the next Prime. I suppose it's relatively bounded consecutively
 April 27th, 2017, 12:55 PM #6 Senior Member   Joined: Mar 2015 From: England Posts: 177 Thanks: 5 Imagine someone using this method doesn't know what the next Prime is, this method would be of great use. They give it for example 3 and they now know that it can only be 5 or 7. So if they were forced to guess then this would be a huge help.
 April 27th, 2017, 12:58 PM #7 Math Team   Joined: Dec 2013 From: Colombia Posts: 6,700 Thanks: 2177 Math Focus: Mainly analysis and algebra Well, the gap between a prime $p$ and the next prime is between $1$ and $p!$, both of which are finite. But that's really obvious. Sure, your idea probably returns better bounds than that, but how much better? Is the range of order $p$ or $\sqrt{p}$ or what? Last edited by v8archie; April 27th, 2017 at 01:00 PM.
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 Originally Posted by HawkI Ok so what I'm trying to say is, between a chosen Prime and the next Prime my instructions does indeed seem to say there is a finite amount in min and max range between the chosen and the next Prime.
Of course it's finite, the distance between any two natural numbers is finite.

But can you just clarify your idea and notation? P(999) = 7907. What's the range for the next prime after that? I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.

ps -- p(9999) = 104723. What's the range for the next one?

Not challenging your formula, just trying to understand it.

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 April 28th, 2017, 11:52 AM #9 Senior Member   Joined: Mar 2015 From: England Posts: 177 Thanks: 5 Oooh this should be exciting. -7907 / 999 = 7 -7907 + (999 * 7) + 999 = 85 999,000 - (85 * (998 ) ) = 914,170 914,170 / 999 = 915 7 + 915 = 922 923 / 2 = 461 Min + 2 Max +(461 * 2) I suppose in a mundane way all this tells us is that Pronics (number squared + number) also known as rectangle numbers are to do with the range of Primes. Probably why Ulams spiral EDIT: sorry, Sacks spiral (I always mix those two up) uses them so effectively. EDIT: the 1,000th Prime is 7919 Quote "Is the range of order p or √p or what?" I will look into this Last edited by HawkI; April 28th, 2017 at 11:59 AM.
 April 29th, 2017, 09:30 AM #10 Senior Member   Joined: Mar 2015 From: England Posts: 177 Thanks: 5 p(9999) = 104723 -104723 / 9999 = 10 -104723 + (9999 * 10) + 9999 = 5266 99,990,000 - (5266 * 9998 ) = 47,340,532 47,340,532 / 9999 = 4734 10 + 4734 = 4744 4745 / 2 = 2372 min + 2 max + (2372 * 2) p(10,000) = 104729

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