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July 28th, 2016, 11:07 PM   #11
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 Originally Posted by mobel It took him 8 years to convince professional mathematicians that he made big discovery. EIGHT YEARS! Why? Ask yourself why? What I hate is when some "mathematicians" saying that " you do not even master basics and you want to solve problems 100s of mathematicians of high level could not solve".
I think there's a pretty good reason for mathematicians to take their time. For every Yu Jianchun or Ramanujan, there are probably a hundred 'nutjobs' who lack even basic understanding of the problems they are doing and, despite this, are unwilling to concede the invalidity of their proofs. It would take far too much effort for professional mathematicians to look through all amateurs' work and separate the cream from the crud. So it's natural an amateur must be extra convincing to get the attention of professional mathematicians.

I'm not a mathematician, so I would never attempt to publish mathematical works or create new mathematical proofs. I know I'm not a genius like Yu Jianchun, and I will never, as a non-mathematician, produce mathematics of any significance. I know I'm a consumer of mathematics and not a producer - and that's the attitude that I think most non-mathematicians should take (mathematical scientists aside).

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July 28th, 2016, 11:15 PM   #12
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 Originally Posted by 123qwerty For every Yu Jianchun or Ramanujan, there are probably a hundred 'nutjobs' who lack even basic understanding of the problems they are doing and, despite this, are unwilling to concede the invalidity of their proofs.
Well said! . Sums it up nicely.

 July 29th, 2016, 12:01 AM #13 Senior Member   Joined: May 2015 From: Arlington, VA Posts: 410 Thanks: 27 Math Focus: Number theory Of the 100,000 math proofs published every year, how many are "significant"?
 July 29th, 2016, 03:12 AM #14 Banned Camp   Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,117 Thanks: 41 Im going to stop all this mess. 1 amateur out of 1000000 who makes big discovery every 10 years is : - first : A huge slap in the face of 10.000 top professional mathematicians - Second : A big step in the progress of mathematics because each big discovery open a window for solving others problems I laugh when I hear that you need to understand a problem to solve it. Many times BECAUSE you did not understand it you develop a method solving ANOTHER big problem. There is A HUGE CONTEMPT toward amateur coming from "professional mathematician". Professional mathematician have a high idea of themselves (almost a mafiosi community like). You are going to see many hard problems solved by amateurs in the next decades. Professional mathematicians are BIG HURDLE for the progress of mathematics. They behave like doctors and are praying for more sick people and more diseases.
 July 29th, 2016, 03:59 AM #15 Banned Camp   Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,117 Thanks: 41 Just look a the numbers of thanks to understand what the "mafia spirit" is. Each time someone bashes the amateurs he receive thanks from the "community". What are you afraid of if you let the amateurs try? If you are deeply concerned about the progress of mathematics then let them try no matter who make the discovery. But you are not! you do not care about the progress of the mathematics. You are worried about you ego! Are you jealous of those amateurs? No. You as "professional mathematicians" are hugely incompetent for solving open problem and you do not want to recognize it. Thats it! Amateurs are free to test any path and you you are enslaved by what you consider wrongfully as "certainties". Amateurs are not afraid to choose a new approach and even to doubt about your certainties. To be clear Im not praising all amateurs. Some amateurs need to be hospitalized for psychiatric problems. But unfortunately you give more time to those guys (I know why anyway). Last edited by mobel; July 29th, 2016 at 04:17 AM.
 July 29th, 2016, 06:44 AM #16 Math Team     Joined: Jul 2011 From: North America, 42nd parallel Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 233 I'm surprised an amateur got any recognition at all. Maybe he has friends in high places , maybe he's a ringer. Who knows? Even professional mathematicians work mostly in secret when they are trying to solve open problems , they don't even trust each other lol. Thanks from mobel
 July 29th, 2016, 07:04 AM #17 Banned Camp   Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,117 Thanks: 41 To v8archie Only dumb people work to achieve few things. Smart people work only what they need to know and are in general very lazy. I knew 2 friends of mine who were nil in mathematics in the college. I was maths teacher of one them (he was rich I was poor so I needed that money). The 2 became professional mathematicians in France just by working hard. I had never read my courses (just by listening to my math teacher I understood everything). Any of my home works took me less than 10 minutes. I was the first one in not only my college but in my city when I was young. I succeeded in Mensa test and I refused to be member of Mensa. Until now I read only what is interesting to me to solve any hard problem. Im not worried about people working hard. I know that they are dumb trying to be smart. All my brothers and sisters are excellent in maths. All!!!! The genes? maybe. I do not know and I do not care. Solving problems is a question about how you approach it. Not hard work!
 July 29th, 2016, 07:10 AM #18 Math Team     Joined: Jul 2011 From: North America, 42nd parallel Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 233 From the CNN link CNN link quoted: William Banks, a mathematician at the University of Missouri, who works with Carmichael numbers said, if verified, an alternative proof would be an exciting discovery for his field. He said that the only construction of an infinite family of Carmichael number was done by academics 20 years ago. "There have been additional theoretical results in this area -- including several by myself and my co-authors -- but these are all variations on a theme," he said. End quote. I don't know him , I'm not judging him but look at his quoted statement at the end. Lol , he feels he needs to defend himself and his co authors. I would not be surprised if he felt that 'slap in the face' for missing an elementary algorithm that an amateur found. Anyway , that's the quote , draw your own conclusions.
 July 29th, 2016, 07:22 AM #19 Banned Camp   Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,117 Thanks: 41 I did not become professional mathematician because : - my family was poor and I was pushed sooner to the workplace to feed them - I had health problems too Anyway I stopped working for salary at 35 years old. Since then I lived like retired (not rich but living decently). Im 65 years old now. Last edited by mobel; July 29th, 2016 at 07:26 AM.
 July 29th, 2016, 07:26 AM #20 Banned Camp   Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,117 Thanks: 41 Each time an amateur discover something big the bashing process initiated by professional mathematicians starts. Ramanujan himself was bashed by many. Thanks from agentredlum

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