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October 19th, 2012, 04:25 AM  #1 
Newbie Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0  x*y = x+y Question about mathematical proof
Short mathquiz for those interested: find two values x and y that satisfies the equation x*y = x+y where x is an integer and y has one decimal. If you don't want to know the/an answer then DON'T CONTINUE READING. Question: I don't have a higher math education than an engineering degree, and so I don't really know anything about mathematical proof. It suddenly struck me that 3 and 1,5 satisfies the equation in my subject, but what I am wondering is: is there a way to prove/disprove that there are or aren't any other combinations of integers and onedecimal numbers that also satisfy the equation? I know for integers 2 and 0 satisfy the equation, but if you include an infinite amount of decimals for both x and y, is there an infinite number of solutions to this equation? If so, how does one prove that? 
October 19th, 2012, 06:18 AM  #2 
Global Moderator Joined: Nov 2006 From: UTC 5 Posts: 16,046 Thanks: 938 Math Focus: Number theory, computational mathematics, combinatorics, FOM, symbolic logic, TCS, algorithms  Re: x*y = x+y Question about mathematical proof
So it's convenient to write variables which are known to be integers, since then any combination of variables and integers via addition, subtraction, or multiplication gives integers. So I will write this as x * (y/10) = x + (y/10) which can be rewritten as xy = 10x + y which is (for me) much more pretty. Now let's isolate a variable, say y: xy  y = 10x y(x  1) = 10x y = 10x/(x1) x and x1 have no common factors, so this can be an integer only if x1 divides 10. The divisors of 10 are ±1, ±2, ±5, and ±10, so x can be 9, 4, 1, 0, 2, 3, 6, or 11. You can find the associated values of y by putting x back into the equation. Once you have those, you can divide y by 10 to get answers to the original problem. Depending on how you interpret the requirement that y has one decimal, you may need to ignore two of these solutions, (2, 2.0) and (0, 0.0). 
October 19th, 2012, 06:20 AM  #3 
Math Team Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,409 Thanks: 6  Re: x*y = x+y Question about mathematical proof
Nice. Thanks.

October 19th, 2012, 06:26 AM  #4  
Global Moderator Joined: Nov 2006 From: UTC 5 Posts: 16,046 Thanks: 938 Math Focus: Number theory, computational mathematics, combinatorics, FOM, symbolic logic, TCS, algorithms  Re: x*y = x+y Question about mathematical proof Quote:
 
October 19th, 2012, 12:53 PM  #5 
Newbie Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0  Re: x*y = x+y Question about mathematical proof
Beautiful! That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! 

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