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Malicious Insect June 6th, 2009 02:46 PM

Hey gang-to be honest...
 
Hi guys.

I'm gonna be honest here. I'm awful at mathematics. Really terrible. And I joined, to ask you guys one question, which is as follows.

If a person was to live nineteen years, and every day be given memories equal to every previous day, how many days would they have experienced?

To further elaborate, this is for a story I'm writing. This person has been put into an artificial reality machine. They have, every day, woken up in a new identity. Each time, he has been given all the memories of the new identity as well as retaining his own. So, on his second day of real time, he had experienced three days of time, because he had experienced the real first day, the second real day and the false first day.

So, as I am terrible at math and can't even begin to construct the formula for working this out, if this person was nineteen real time years old (we'll say to the day for simplicity's sake), how many days would he have experienced, including the false days added to his memories? Just to clarify, I do mean his 19th birthday, as in at the end of the first day he turns 19.

CRGreathouse June 6th, 2009 04:48 PM

Re: Hey gang-to be honest...
 
1 + 2 + 3 + ... + n = n * (n +1) / 2. That's the essential part of math you need.

On the first day of a person's nineteenth birthday, they've experienced 18 real years plus a day. That would include four or five leap years.* So 6575 or 6576 days. Using the formula above, that's 21,618,600 or 21,625,176 days, or almost 60,000 years.

I'd be inclined to think a human would go quite insane after living maybe a thousand years, but that wouldn't work very well fictionally -- they wouldn't even be 3 by the time that happened.

* If the person was born before 1901 or after 2080, it's possible that they'd have experienced only three leap years. This doesn't change much, really.

Malicious Insect June 7th, 2009 11:38 AM

Re: Hey gang-to be honest...
 
Thank you very much! I simply could not wrap my head around this.

Wow, the number is a lot higher than I had imagined-an almost 60,000 year old teenager...crikey.

Don't worry about the insanity issue. He does insane 'on and off' many times, and an unlying madness is apparent in him even after he leaves his artificial reality. What makes it worse, is that every day he is put through a new form of torture. He wakes up at his physical age each day in a new identity, with only the false memories of that identity. He goes about normal life of that identity, and then something terrible ocurs to him, and in the process, all the other memories return. No matter how hard he tries to escape the horror, he always ends up 'dying' each day. He spends some time in a sort of limbo where he retains all his memories, only to wake up with a fresh body and mind.

Not a very nice existence, but then, that's sort of the point.

CRGreathouse June 7th, 2009 11:41 AM

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If you'd like to reduce the 60,000 years, you have a number of options:
* Have this happen every week rather than every day;
* Have this happen some days, but not all days;
* Have it happen every day, but give him memory of only some days;
* Make him younger than 19;
* Fudge the numbers to improve the story. :mrgreen:

Of course you could also use it as inspiration instead and keep it at 60,000.

Edit: Are you familiar with Descartes' demon? That seems relevant to your story as well. It might give you some ideas.

Malicious Insect June 7th, 2009 11:56 AM

Re: Hey gang-to be honest...
 
The 60,000 years is actually giving me a lot of ideas-it gives me a lot more room to work with than my projections (which were waaaay off-I was thinking something like three thousand at the most).

One of the key ideas is that he goes so far beyond madness that he's recreated himself into insanity wrapped in a suit. Thinking about it, the longer time gives me a lot more wriggle room to let this idea develop-in this version, he could easily spend tens of thousands of years insane before forcing his way through it.

And no, I hadn't read Descartes' demon argument, but the basic outline I can get from google fascinates me. Thanks for the tip!

CRGreathouse June 7th, 2009 01:14 PM

Re: Hey gang-to be honest...
 
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Originally Posted by Malicious Insect
The 60,000 years is actually giving me a lot of ideas-it gives me a lot more room to work with than my projections (which were waaaay off-I was thinking something like three thousand at the most).

It absolutely blows my mind. Poe's Some Words With a Mummy doesn't even come close: the Count has only 700 years of memories (spanning some 15,000 chronological years).

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Originally Posted by Malicious Insect
And no, I hadn't read Descartes' demon argument, but the basic outline I can get from google fascinates me. Thanks for the tip!

I figured anything I could do to help inspire would be welcome. At least my college philosophy classes paid off, right? :D


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