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July 29th, 2008, 09:34 AM   #1
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Re: Mathematical proof of the existence of God !!!

Unfortunately, the existence of such messages leads one to a contrary understanding.
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Re: Mathematical proof of the existence of God !!!

A bit harsh, Dave.

Either way, I'm moving this to the "Introduce yourself and other topics" because it doesn't belong here.
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Sorry. I found the original a little harsh on the nerves from my point of view. I'll simply ignore in future ...but part of the problem becomes an unwillingness to respond, and so it is then very much one-sided and dogmatic [very un-scientific] to allow one to speak, and not another to respond. However, as I said, so be it.
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Re: Mathematical proof of the existence of God !!!

Indeed. "A bit harsh" doesn't mean it's an unreasonable statement. Something more along the lines of "Cool it" would mean to stop.

Anyway, God is not a mathematical object, just as balls are not mathematical objects. There can be no "mathematical proof" that either one has any properties; while math and empirical data may be able to describe actions a ball may take, God is a little more elusive.
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Anyway, God is not a mathematical object, just as balls are not mathematical objects. There can be no "mathematical proof" that either one has any properties; while math and empirical data may be able to describe actions a ball may take, God is a little more elusive.
Sure balls are mathematical objects, even if baseballs and soccer balls aren't balls at all.


I'll admit to some degree of intellectual curiosity here, though I doubt it's worth checking the links. If there was a well-presented mathematical proof of God's existence (even if it was wrong), there would need to be a definition of God, which I have long sought. It's not nearly the easy metaphysical question some might assume it to be. (Go ahead, prove me wrong.)
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The "proof" referred to is neither mathematical nor correct. It's an obviously fallacious "argument from design" that because the author is impressed by the mathematics, it must have been "designed" by a God (associated with a cross symbol).
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The "proof" referred to is neither mathematical nor correct. It's an obviously fallacious "argument from design" that because the author is impressed by the mathematics, it must have been "designed" by a God (associated with a cross symbol).
'Math is beautiful, thus it must have been created by someone; call this someone "God"'?

Most would attack the first part ('math could be both beautiful and uncreated'), but I'll admit I'm unsatisfied with the implicit assumption in the second (that the math-creator can be associated, a priori, with the conventional notion of God). A deranged sculptor can create great works of beauty, so why couldn't this math-creator be a crazy artist?
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Sure balls are mathematical objects, even if baseballs and soccer balls aren't balls at all.
Painful... but duly noted.

I find physical arguments for a meta-physical deity wholly unconvincing. I.e. the argument from design.

Mind you, I agree with his final conclusion (i.e. "a God, associated with a cross symbol"), but his lines of reasoning contain far too many assumptions that he is unaware of-- assumptions which are hard to accept. I actually tend feel sick when I see "mathematical/physical proof" for/against the existence of God. Mostly, it's because whichever side the author is on, they've seemed to miss the point entirely. That isn't always the case, but it too often is.

Anyway, we're treading dangerous forum-waters, methinks...
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I find physical arguments for a meta-physical deity wholly unconvincing. I.e. the argument from design.

Mind you, I agree with his final conclusion (i.e. "a God, associated with a cross symbol"), but his lines of reasoning contain far too many assumptions that he is unaware of-- assumptions which are hard to accept. I actually tend feel sick when I see "mathematical/physical proof" for/against the existence of God. Mostly, it's because whichever side the author is on, they've seemed to miss the point entirely. That isn't always the case, but it too often is.
I've never seen one that failed to miss the point. This experience prompted me to not even click on the link -- not worth my time. But that doesn't stop me from wishing for a well-formed argument, even if invalid.

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Anyway, we're treading dangerous forum-waters, methinks...
I think metaphysics falls tidily into "Other topics".
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I think metaphysics falls tidily into "Other topics".
Indeed, but it rarely leads to tidy discussion on internet forums.
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