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 April 19th, 2014, 02:13 AM #1 Newbie   Joined: Apr 2014 From: sweden Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Help me solve this amazing numerical mystery from an ancient book Can you help me solve this mystery I found in an ancient book, when you look at first on the verse numbers you can't see any organized symmetric pattern, but when you study carefully you see how it is programmed mathematically Here, we have repetitive numerical values from the table above for example, chapters 85 and 99 have same nummerical value 107, we summerize all repetitive numerical values Here, we have non-repetitive numerical values, and we summarize them also We can clearly see golden ratio between repetitive and non-repetitive numerical values from this table Can this be coincidence or organized mathematical construction? Last edited by skipjack; April 23rd, 2014 at 03:39 AM.
 April 19th, 2014, 08:11 AM #2 Math Team   Joined: Oct 2011 From: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 14,597 Thanks: 1038 Interesting. Changes can be made; take these 4 as example: Code: Now: 38 88 126 126 55 78 133 133 89 30 119 119 90 20 110 110 Change to: 38 78 116 116 55 88 143 143 89 20 109 109 90 30 120 120 Lots of others can be changed similarly. However, doesn't appear to be of any importance.
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 Originally Posted by Denis Interesting. Changes can be made; take these 4 as example: Code: Now: 38 88 126 126 55 78 133 133 89 30 119 119 90 20 110 110 Change to: 38 78 116 116 55 88 143 143 89 20 109 109 90 30 120 120 Lots of others can be changed similarly. However, doesn't appear to be of any importance.

no , you cant do that, do you know why?

beacuse this is a tripple programmed miracle

1. 57 odd 57 even numbers

2. sum of all odd = som of all chapters
sum of all even = som of all verses

3. golden ratio between non-repetetive and repetetive numbers

when you change like you did, results is

7889 / 4902 = 1.609
wich is not exact golden ratio with correct 3 decimal 1.618

while above you have exact golden ratio wich is 1.618, with 3 correct decimals

Do you see now why you cant change it like you did above?

i hope more will envolved in this nummerical mistery

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April 19th, 2014, 09:49 AM   #4
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 Originally Posted by Dawud 7889 / 4902 = 1.609 wich is not exact golden ratio with correct 3 decimal 1.618 while above you have exact golden ratio wich is 1.618, with 3 correct decimals
SHAME on you for fooling around with the "divine proportion"!
you have 7906 / 4885 = 1.618 ; in reality, difference of .0004
BUT
7904 / 4885 = 1.618 ; difference only .00001
OR
7906 / 4886 = 1.618 ; difference only .00004

So all that mysterious stuff about "divinity" seems fishy to me

About same as pi = 22/7 back in the 50's...

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 Originally Posted by Denis SHAME on you for fooling around with the "divine proportion"! you have 7906 / 4885 = 1.618 ; in reality, difference of .0004 BUT 7904 / 4885 = 1.618 ; difference only .00001 OR 7906 / 4886 = 1.618 ; difference only .00004 So all that mysterious stuff about "divinity" seems fishy to me About same as pi = 22/7 back in the 50's...

we dont talk about 7904 / 4885 = 1.618 now, beacuse you change the verse numbers, now we have

7889 / 4902 = 1.609

if we change like you did

Now:
38 88 126 126
55 78 133 133
89 30 119 119
90 20 110 110

Change to:
38 78 116 116
55 88 143 143
89 20 109 109
90 30 120 120

so how can you change numbers to match while you keep the tripple miracle intact,

if you keep point 1 and 2 correct , and you destroy decimal in golden ratio then have not achived same result or better.

 April 19th, 2014, 11:02 AM #6 Math Team   Joined: Oct 2011 From: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 14,597 Thanks: 1038 You can preach at me till you're blue in the face, and I still won't see the light! The fact that the poor golden ratio is involved is dreaming in technicolor; it is simply a fluke that it is close. However, someone else here may step in and correct me: Agentmulder is quite versatile with chapter/verses et al...... In case of interest: if you go from chapter 40 to chapter 90, you end up with: 3315 1910 : 1910 3315 Last edited by Denis; April 19th, 2014 at 11:07 AM.
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 Originally Posted by Denis You can preach at me till you're blue in the face, and I still won't see the light! The fact that the poor golden ratio is involved is dreaming in technicolor; it is simply a fluke that it is close. However, someone else here may step in and correct me: Agentmulder is quite versatile with chapter/verses et al...... In case of interest: if you go from chapter 40 to chapter 90, you end up with: 3315 1910 : 1910 3315
i am not here to preach, i am here to discuss this nummerical miracle.

can you change the numbers to keep all 3 points intact?

 April 19th, 2014, 12:51 PM #8 Math Team     Joined: Jul 2011 From: North America, 42nd parallel Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 233 I am not familiar with that book. The OP should consider posting the results in another forum because he/she will find it hard to get sympathy from mathematicians or math amateurs here.
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 Originally Posted by agentredlum I am not familiar with that book. The OP should consider posting the results in another forum because he/she will find it hard to get sympathy from mathematicians or math amateurs here.
i will tell you about the book after we solve this nummerical mistery, i want serious mathematicians here on this topic to help me with this, if you know some on this forum, bring them here.

beacuse this book claim that it cant be created by humans and i found many nummerical patterns wich i Think is impossible for humans to create. but i need help from you people on this forum to solve this issue.

from those two columns of numbers, chapter and verse numbers, we can extract all this

1. 57 odd 57 even numbers

2. sum of all odd = som of all chapters
sum of all even = som of all verses

3. golden ratio between non-repetetive and repetetive numbers wich is 1.618

4. symmtrical organisation of the numbers

if we change only one number , by 1, for example if we add 1 or remove 1, nummerical programming would be destroyed.

Last edited by Dawud; April 19th, 2014 at 01:16 PM.

 April 19th, 2014, 02:27 PM #10 Global Moderator     Joined: Nov 2006 From: UTC -5 Posts: 16,046 Thanks: 938 Math Focus: Number theory, computational mathematics, combinatorics, FOM, symbolic logic, TCS, algorithms This is not mathematics, it is numerology. We don't allow discussion of numerology here, sorry! I suggest searching Google or Bing for a more appropriate forum. Patterns are very easy to find when you're looking for them. None of these patterns seem exceptional/unusual to me; I'd expect to find similar patterns in many other books. Thanks from Olinguito

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