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May 14th, 2018, 10:47 AM   #1
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Why do you think the US is falling behind in education?

To add more context, there have been many research articles like these U.S. academic achievement lags that of many other countries | Pew Research Center that show us where the US stands in terms of education prowess. But also, I feel there is an additional problem that is unique to the US, which is the racial achievement gap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial..._United_States

What actions are being taken by the US to combat the dropping education scores? Do you guys think this will change in the future?

With online education becoming more and more easily accessible and free, I think this will have a significant impact on the future of education in the US. Just to point out some examples, websites such as KhanAcademy, Udemy, and StudyPug have proven to be quite successful, pulling in millions of visits per day. Do you think these sites have the potential to change the way we approach education and bring our standings back on par with other countries?
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To add more context, there have been many research articles like these U.S. academic achievement lags that of many other countries | Pew Research Center that show us where the US stands in terms of education prowess. But also, I feel there is an additional problem that is unique to the US, which is the racial achievement gap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial..._United_States

What actions are being taken by the US to combat the dropping education scores? Do you guys think this will change in the future?

With online education becoming more and more easily accessible and free, I think this will have a significant impact on the future of education in the US. Just to point out some examples, websites such as KhanAcademy, Udemy, and StudyPug have proven to be quite successful, pulling in millions of visits per day. Do you think these sites have the potential to change the way we approach education and bring our standings back on par with other countries?
Just to throw in my 2 cents...

I see three major problems affecting primary and high school education.

1) Only about 1/2 the students take any of their studies seriously. I have no idea how to fix this but when I taught HS it was a serious problem.

2) The Secretary of Education really needs to revamp the programs. The last 3 administrations (perhaps more) have hired PhDs in education to plan how to improve students' grades. The problem is that most PhDs have only taught for their internship and done no HS or lower teaching in decades. If they hired teachers that have actually taught something at these levels then I think at least some of the problems could be fixed.

3) This whole thing with uplifting students so that they don't feel bad if they get lower scores than others is pure If they feel so bad about it then they need to get help, either in order to study to bring their grades up or some kind of special needs program. But frankly I think for most students low grades should be an impulse for the student to do better in a class. Outside of those students that actually do have special needs I have never encountered a student that can't take having a lower score than someone else. For most it's a confidence problem and you can teach a student to address this.

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With online education becoming more and more easily accessible and free, I think this will have a significant impact on the future of education in the US. Just to point out some examples, websites such as KhanAcademy, Udemy, and StudyPug have proven to be quite successful, pulling in millions of visits per day. Do you think these sites have the potential to change the way we approach education and bring our standings back on par with other countries?
Can't online education help anybody and not just Americans?

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3) This whole thing with uplifting students so that they don't feel bad if they get lower scores than others is pure If they feel so bad about it then they need to get help, either in order to study to bring their grades up or some kind of special needs program. But frankly I think for most students low grades should be an impulse for the student to do better in a class. Outside of those students that actually do have special needs I have never encountered a student that can't take having a lower score than someone else. For most it's a confidence problem and you can teach a student to address this.
If you state your e-mail address here or in a PM, I will e-mail you a short journal article I downloaded about social promotion compared to retention that came from the American Educational Research Association (AERA).
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2) The Secretary of Education really needs to revamp the programs.
there doesn't seem to be an available emoji for laughing so hard that blood spurts out of my eyes... and then sobbing for our country.
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If America is falling behind in education, everything is going according to plan and it's a tribute to our educational system.

We don't need a lot of educated people, we need people to do the world's work.

Educate everybody and the system collapses, unless you open the borders to poor countries, in which case it works for another generation.


But you have to offer everybody a free education so that you don't have the political dynamite of a country of people who hate the system because they feel they didn't get a fair chance.

The solution is to educate everybody without teaching them anything so all they can do is necessary work without complaining they didn't have a chance. Sadly, the system does this by plunging the majority of students into debt slavery.

Human nature helps here. If a Prof teaches 20 students his subject, at the end of the semester there are 20 more applicants for his job.
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Education is an institution where the fox guards the chicken coop. No competition, it is difficult to see problems from the inside out.
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I'd say one of the largest reasons is that the US education system is not centered around logic. They want kids to memorize, memorize, memorize, that's it. And now we have common core, which most know is absolutely ridiculous. It's not longer 1 + 2 = 3. If you don't go through a whole series a steps the EXACT way they want you to, even if you get the right answer it doesn't count. It's a mess.
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They want kids to memorize, memorize, memorize, that's it.
Here's a Tweet from somebody who just finished her freshman year of college.
https://twitter.com/Hevesh5/status/989557647971160065 says:

"projects, presentations, & reports > tests

learning through hands-on experience & reflection > memorizing & regurgitating

so thankful for the program I’m in and all that it has taught me"
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