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 October 24th, 2014, 09:19 AM #1 Newbie   Joined: Oct 2014 From: Lithuania Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 determinant Can someone help me to solve this determinant? I have no idea how to start... залить картинку thanks for the help!! Last edited by robertson; October 24th, 2014 at 09:34 AM.
 October 24th, 2014, 09:47 AM #2 Senior Member     Joined: Nov 2010 From: Indonesia Posts: 2,000 Thanks: 132 Math Focus: Trigonometry Zero? All columns contain zero, right?
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 Originally Posted by Monox D. I-Fly Zero? All columns contain zero, right?
But
$\displaystyle \left | \begin{matrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 \end{matrix} \right | = 1$

and there is a 0 in every column.

It has to be all zeros in at least one column or all zeros in at least one row to give a determinant of zero.

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 October 24th, 2014, 10:24 AM #4 Newbie   Joined: Oct 2014 From: Lithuania Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 I guess, to solve this determinant we need to extract (don't know if it's the right word) by first row and column. Or something like that. What do You think?
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 Originally Posted by robertson I guess, to solve this determinant we need to extract (don't know if it's the right word) by first row and column. Or something like that. What do You think?
Sounds like a plan to me. Give it a try and let us know how it works.

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 October 24th, 2014, 01:09 PM #6 Newbie   Joined: Oct 2014 From: Lithuania Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 hmmm .... nop, I'm not so good at this one... Doesn't work :/
 October 24th, 2014, 02:05 PM #7 Math Team     Joined: May 2013 From: The Astral plane Posts: 1,852 Thanks: 750 Math Focus: Wibbly wobbly timey-wimey stuff. Try a couple of simple cases: $\displaystyle Det \left [ \begin{matrix} a & b & c \\ -x & x & 0 \\ 0 & -x & x \end{matrix} \right ] = a \left | \begin{matrix} x & 0 \\ -x & x \end{matrix} \right | - b \left | \begin{matrix} -x & 0 \\ 0 & x \end{matrix} \right | + c \left | \begin{matrix} -x & x \\ 0 & -x \end{matrix} \right |$ $\displaystyle = a ( x^2 ) - b ( -x^2 ) + c (x^2 ) = (a + b + c)x^2$ Try the 4 x 4 yourself. There's an obvious pattern that emerges. Post your the work of your 4 x 4 and we'll take a look at it. -Dan
 October 25th, 2014, 12:49 AM #8 Newbie   Joined: Oct 2014 From: Lithuania Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 What do you think? So if I'm right answer will be (a0+a1+a2+...+an)x^(n-1). Btw how do you do these formulas?
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 Originally Posted by robertson What do you think? So if I'm right answer will be (a0+a1+a2+...+an)x^(n-1). Btw how do you do these formulas?
Well done. I didn't know the formula. I derived it, saw the pattern and passed that on to you.

I had originally thought to give you the idea of expanding out by the second row, not the first, and I forgot to do so. I apologize. That's the only simple way to spot a useful pattern. (Well, you can do it the way I presented it, but it's harder.)

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