October 18th, 2017, 06:27 AM  #1 
Senior Member Joined: Jan 2016 From: Blackpool Posts: 103 Thanks: 2  bases of the reals^2
question: find 3 different bases of R^2 My answer: I thought for R^2 there are only two standard base vectors e1,e2 where e1=(0,1) e2=(1,0) which spans every vector in R^2 and can be written as a unique linear combination. So what is the 3rd bases of R^2 or could the question be wrong?? Thanks 
October 18th, 2017, 06:45 AM  #2 
Member Joined: Aug 2011 From: Nouakchott, Mauritania Posts: 85 Thanks: 14 Math Focus: Algebra, Cryptography 
Hi ! A basis of $\displaystyle {\mathbb R}^2$ is a set of two vectors that span all the vectors of $\displaystyle {\mathbb R}^2$. The famous basis is what you mentioned, which is called the canonical basis $\displaystyle B=(e_1,e_2)$ where $\displaystyle e_1=(1,0)$ and $\displaystyle e_2=(0,1)$. But this is only a single basis  although it has two vectors. Did you get it ? Now for answering your question, we can use this property: Let $\displaystyle w=(w_1,w_2)$ and $\displaystyle v=(v_1,v_2)$, then $\displaystyle (w,v)$ is a basis of $\displaystyle {\mathbb R}^2$ iff the determinant of $\displaystyle (w,v)$ is not null. That means: $\displaystyle \begin{vmatrix} w_1 &v_1 \\ w_2 &v_2 \end{vmatrix}\ne 0 $. So, all that you need is finding 3 pairs of vectors that satisfy that condition. Sorry for bad English! Last edited by skipjack; October 19th, 2017 at 03:13 PM. 
October 18th, 2017, 08:36 AM  #3 
Math Team Joined: Dec 2013 From: Colombia Posts: 7,614 Thanks: 2603 Math Focus: Mainly analysis and algebra 
Note that finding such vectors is straightforward in $\mathbb R^2$. Any pair of noncollinear vectors will do.
Last edited by skipjack; October 19th, 2017 at 03:15 PM. 
October 18th, 2017, 11:13 AM  #4 
Senior Member Joined: Jan 2016 From: Blackpool Posts: 103 Thanks: 2 
Ahhh, I see. I didn't realise that b=(e1,e2) only forms one single basis in R^2, so would the second basis vectors be, for example, w=(1,1) v=(1,1) and the third bases vectors be w=(2,2) v=(2,2) ?? Would this work since the det(w*v) is not equal to 0? Thanks again! Last edited by skipjack; October 19th, 2017 at 03:16 PM. 
October 18th, 2017, 11:48 AM  #5 
Math Team Joined: Dec 2013 From: Colombia Posts: 7,614 Thanks: 2603 Math Focus: Mainly analysis and algebra 
Yes, both are bases, but your teacher might not like you quoting those two pairs as they are just scalar multiples of each other. I'd find a third pair. Not that your pair don't have to be at rightangles, just not collinear. Last edited by skipjack; October 19th, 2017 at 03:16 PM. 
October 18th, 2017, 07:15 PM  #6 
Senior Member Joined: Sep 2016 From: USA Posts: 578 Thanks: 345 Math Focus: Dynamical systems, analytic function theory, numerics 
By definition, a basis for a space is any spanning set of vectors which is linearly independent. I would also hesitate to ${\bf define}$ a basis in terms of determinants. The "right" way to look for a basis is to iteratively build a set of vectors by adding vectors to your set which don't lie in the span of the current vectors in your set. The problem with thinking of things in terms of determinants is 1. It is not a useful computational tool. 2. It does not give any insight into what a basis is. 3. Determinants only make sense for square matrices. However, nonsquare matrices show up often in math and questions about their important subspaces (kernel and image) are common. In this case, determinants aren't even defined, but the concept of a basis is. For example, the following 3 vectors $(1,1,1,0), (1,1,0,1),(1,0,1,1)$ span a 3dimensional subspace of $\mathbb{R}^4$, hence they are a basis for this subspace. But you can't compute their determinant. Last edited by skipjack; October 19th, 2017 at 03:18 PM. 

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