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June 8th, 2017, 09:07 AM   #1
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Vectors again

Find the area of parallelogram given by the vectors e=2m-n and f=4m-5n.
|m|=|n|=1 and the angle between m and n is pi/4.
I really struggle with this one and any help is appreciated
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The area of a parallelogram is, of course, given by "bh" where b is the length of one side (the "base" which we can take to be e) and h the height. If $\displaystyle \theta$ is the angle between the two sides, then $\displaystyle h= \tan(\theta)|e|$ so that the area is $\displaystyle \tan(\theta)|e||f|$.

Here, you are given that |e|= |f|= 1 and $\displaystyle \theta$ is $\displaystyle \pi/4$ radians.

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The area of a parallelogram is, of course, given by "bh" where b is the length of one side (the "base" which we can take to be e) and h the height. If $\displaystyle \theta$ is the angle between the two sides, then $\displaystyle h= \tan(\theta)|e|$ so that the area is $\displaystyle \tan(\theta)|e||f|$.

Here, you are given that |e|= |f|= 1 and $\displaystyle \theta$ is $\displaystyle \pi/4$ radians.
Yeah, but when give vectors the area is |exf| isn't it?

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Yes. Country Boy slipped up. What's stopping you from evaluating |e × f|?
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Yes. Country Boy slipped up. What's stopping you from evaluating |e × f|?
I did this, but the textbook says I'm wrong.
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June 9th, 2017, 10:28 AM   #6
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What does the textbook give as the answer?
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What does the textbook give as the answer?
3sqrt(2))/2

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|m|=|n|=1 and the angle between m and n is pi/4
could this statement mean $m$ and $n$ are unit vectors that are not orthogonal?

if so ...

$e = \left(2-\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)i - \left(\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)j$

$f = \left(4-\dfrac{5}{\sqrt{2}}\right)i - \left(\dfrac{5}{\sqrt{2}}\right)j$

however, this makes $|e \times f| = 3\sqrt{2}$

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The answer depends on the meaning of "given by the vectors" in the problem. If the specified vectors correspond to the sides of the parallelogram, the area is 3√2. If the vectors correspond to the diagonals of the parallelogram, the area is 3/√2.
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The answer depends on the meaning of "given by the vectors" in the problem. If the specified vectors correspond to the sides of the parallelogram, the area is 3√2. If the vectors correspond to the diagonals of the parallelogram, the area is 3/√2.
It's the sides. Probably it's just mistake in the textbook Thank you.
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