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 September 12th, 2017, 07:19 PM #1 Newbie   Joined: Sep 2017 From: Somewhere Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 A weird equation? Java So, I was given a 'challenge' by my professor to write a code that does something along these lines: - Take user input (int) (Any positive int) - return/print that value minus the first digit. - ex. input = 145, return/print = 45. input = 100, return/print = 0. I accomplished it originally by converting from int to string, then using a .substring to declare the new starting position: ex. int 145 = "145", .substring (1(//instead of 0)); Once I had declared the new starting position, I Integer.parseInt'd it to turn it back into an int. This solved the issue of entering 100, 1000, 10000, etc and returning more than one zero. I used short-hand coding terms, but the full code is here: https://code.sololearn.com/cFHa430To2Ik/#java Now that I've accomplished the task through translations (int to str and str to int), he has asked me to do it the 'mathy' way. Which leads me to believe there's an equation or equations that can help me accomplish the same thing. Any guru's out there than can shed some light on this? Math is definitely not my strong suit. To clarify: this is not a graded assignment, just something he's throwing at us to 'challenge' us. Seems to be working! Thanks! TJ Last edited by skipjack; September 12th, 2017 at 11:54 PM.
 September 13th, 2017, 12:10 AM #2 Global Moderator   Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 19,988 Thanks: 1855 If the number is 685757, 685757/(685757/10) gives 6, the first digit. There are various ways to determine the number of digits in 685757, so that you can subtract the place value, 600000, rather than just 6, to produce 85757. Thanks from topsquark Last edited by skipjack; September 13th, 2017 at 12:47 AM.
 September 13th, 2017, 12:11 AM #3 Senior Member     Joined: Sep 2015 From: USA Posts: 2,203 Thanks: 1157 if I were given a random positive number $d$ and had to remove the first digit, I'd do $\large \tilde{d}=d \mod{10^{\left \lfloor \log_{10}(d) \right \rfloor}}$ where $\large d$ is your input number and $\large \tilde{d}$ is that number without its first digit. $\left \lfloor x \right \rfloor$ is the integer part of $x$ Clipboard01.jpg Last edited by skipjack; January 19th, 2018 at 04:14 PM.
 September 13th, 2017, 05:38 AM #4 Senior Member   Joined: May 2016 From: USA Posts: 1,210 Thanks: 497 $\text {Let input integer } = i.$ $\text {Let desired output } = x.$ $\text {Let } u = \left \lfloor \log_{10}(i) \right \rfloor.$ $x = i - 10^u.$ That is a very simple "mathy" way. Example $i = 145.$ $\log_{10}(145) \approx 2.16.$ $2 = \lfloor 2.45 \rfloor.$ $10^2 = 100.$ $145 - 100 = 45.$ EDIT: This method is logically identical to romsek's, but differs slightly in notation and perhaps in ease of comprehension for non-math people. Last edited by skipjack; January 19th, 2018 at 04:15 PM.
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 Originally Posted by JeffM1 $\text {Let input integer } = i.$ $\text {Let desired output } = x.$ $\text {Let } u = \left \lfloor \log_{10}(i) \right \rfloor.$ $x = i - 10^u.$ That is a very simple "mathy" way. Example $i = 145.$ $\log_{10}(145) \approx 2.16.$ $2 = \lfloor 2.45 \rfloor.$ $10^2 = 100.$ $145 - 100 = 45.$ EDIT: This method is logically identical to romsek's, but differs slightly in notation and perhaps in ease of comprehension for non-math people.
I don't think this works unless the leading digit is $1$.

Consider $i=64$

$\left \lfloor \log_{10}(i) \right \rfloor = 1$

$64 - 10^1 = 54 \neq 4$

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 September 13th, 2017, 05:35 PM #6 Senior Member   Joined: May 2016 From: USA Posts: 1,210 Thanks: 497 Romsek I think you are correct that I screwed up. I'll review further when I am not so busy.
 September 14th, 2017, 11:08 PM #7 Senior Member   Joined: May 2016 From: USA Posts: 1,210 Thanks: 497 Romsek was quite right that my first post was incorrect because too simple. I apologize. The problem was: given a positive integer i expressed in decimal notation, find the non-negative integer represented by the number equal to i without its leftmost digit. One way to proceed is to define: $i = j * 10^k + n \text {, where } j,\ k,\ n \in \mathbb Z,\ 1 \le j \le 9,\ 0 \le k \text {, and } 0 \le n < 10^k.$ Note that j, k, and n are uniquely defined given i. $\text {Define: } u = log_{10}(i),\ v = \lfloor u \rfloor ,\ w = u - v \text {, and } x = \left \lfloor 10^w \right \rfloor.$ Note that u, v, w, and x are functions of i, not of j, k, or n. $n = i - x * 10^v.$ So n is a function of i. All that is left is to prove that formula. $\text {Line 1: } 1 \le j \implies 10^k \le j * 10^k.$ $\text {Line 2: } j \le 9 \implies j + 1 \le 10 \implies (j + 1) * 10^k \le 10^{(k+1)}.$ $\text {Line 3: } 0 \le n < 10^k \implies j * 10^k + 0 \le j * 10^k + n < j * 10^k + 10^k = (j + 1) * 10^k \implies$ $\text {Line 4: } j * 10^k \le i < (j + 1) * 10^k\ \because \ i = j * 10^k + n.$ $\text {Line 5: } 10^k \le i < 10^{(k+1)} \text { by lines 1, 2, and 4.}$ $\text {Line 6: } \therefore k \le log_{10}(i) < k + 1 \implies k \le u < k + 1.$ $\text {Line 7: }\therefore k = \lfloor u \rfloor \ \because \ 0 \le k \in \mathbb Z.$ $\text {Line 8: } \therefore k = v\ \because \ v = \lfloor u \rfloor \text { by definition.}$ $\text {Line 9: By line 8 and definitions of u and w, } w = u - v = u - k = log_{10}(i) - k \implies$ $\text {Line 10: } w = log_{10}(i) - log_{10} \left (10^k \right ) = log_{10} \left ( \dfrac{i}{10^k} \right ).$ $\text {Line 11: } \therefore \text { by line 4, } j * 10^k \le i < (j + 1) * 10^k \implies j \le \dfrac{i}{10^k} < j + 1.$ $\text {Line 12: By lines 10 and 11, } log_{10}(j) \le w < log_{10}(j + 1).$ $\text {Line 13: } \therefore 10^{log_{10}(j)} \le 10^w < 10^{log_{10}(j + 1)} \implies j \le 10^w < j + 1.$ $\text {Line 14: }\therefore j = \left \lfloor 10^w \right \rfloor \ \because \ 1 \le j \in \mathbb Z.$ $\text {Line 15: But } x = \left \lfloor 10^w \right \rfloor \implies j = x.$ $\text {Line 16: } i = j * 10^k + n \implies n = i - j * 10^k = i - x * 10^v$ $\text {because } k = v \text { by line 7, and } j = x \text { by line 15.}$ Let's see how it works with romsek's example of i = 64. By inspection n = 4. $u = log_{10}(64) \approx 1.806$ $v = \lfloor u \rfloor = 1.$ $w \approx 0.806 \implies 10^w \approx 6.397 \implies x = 6.$ $i - x * 10^v = 64 - 6 * 10^1 = 64 - 60 = 4.$ From a coding perspective, all that would remain is to see whether the limits on the accuracy of floating point numbers and of the system's log function required some tweaking to the process.
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 Originally Posted by skipjack If the number is 685757, 685757/(685757/10) gives 6, the first digit. There are various ways to determine the number of digits in 685757, so that you can subtract the place value, 600000, rather than just 6, to produce 85757.
Actually it doesn't. It gives 10 or something approximately ten depending on whether or not one of those is integer division.

 January 19th, 2018, 02:09 PM #9 Member   Joined: Jan 2016 From: Athens, OH Posts: 92 Thanks: 47 I just noticed the date of the OP was last September, so this won't help the OP. Maybe it will be of interest to someone. romsek (reply 2) has given you the correct formula. Here is an explanation of that formula and a Java program implementing said formula. Here's a Java program that implements the formula. Notice there are 2 methods that find $10^k$. One method uses floating point calculations, but the other uses all int operations. Generally, for an integer problem, it is best to try and avoid floating point since such numbers are approximations. For this problem, the floating point method is fine, but you should be aware that floating point approximations can introduce errors. Code: package javageneric; import java.util.Scanner; public class Javageneric { public static void main(String[] args) { ModExercise test = new ModExercise(); Scanner sc = new Scanner(System.in); int n = 1; while (n > 0) { System.out.println("Enter a positive integer (0 to quit):"); n = sc.nextInt(); if (n > 0) { System.out.println(test.removeLeadingDigitOf(n)); } } } } package javageneric; public class ModExercise { // returns 10^k where 10^k <= n < 10^(k+1); i.e. 10^floor(log10(n)) int tenToTheK(int n) { // n MUST be positive double lg = Math.log10(n); double flg = Math.floor(lg); double p = Math.pow(10, flg); return ((int) p); } // same return as tenToTheK but uses no floating point arithmetic int tenToTheK0(int n) { int p = 1; while (n >= 10) { // n should be positive p *= 10; n /= 10; } return (p); } int removeLeadingDigitOf(int n) { int tenK = tenToTheK0(n); return (n % tenK); } }
 January 22nd, 2018, 01:07 AM #10 Senior Member   Joined: Apr 2014 From: UK Posts: 892 Thanks: 328 Post #2 gets my vote, it's simple to understand and easy for a cpu to do quickly. However, since the input will be a string before it is converted, it may not be such a bad idea to keep the number as a string and chop off the left digit and remove any leading 0's. It won't be as cpu efficient, but it is simple.

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