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 November 30th, 2017, 08:19 AM #1 Banned Camp   Joined: Mar 2015 From: New Jersey Posts: 1,720 Thanks: 126 Range of e^z Range of e$\displaystyle ^z$ Let F$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) be n terms of the expansion of e$\displaystyle ^{z}$-1. For any n, F$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) (nth degree polynomial without the constant term) maps to all of complex plane. Therefore, for ANY n, F$\displaystyle _{n}(z)$+1 maps to entire complex plane. Therefore, e$\displaystyle ^{z}$ = F$\displaystyle _{\infty}$(z) + 1 maps to entire complex plane November 30th, 2017, 09:22 AM #2 Senior Member   Joined: Sep 2015 From: USA Posts: 2,553 Thanks: 1403 Please solve $e^z-1=-1$ $-1 \in \mathbb{C}$ so by your reasoning $\exists z_0 \in \mathbb{C} \ni e^{z_0}-1=-1$ November 30th, 2017, 09:24 AM   #3
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 Originally Posted by zylo Range of e$\displaystyle ^z$ Let F$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) be n terms of the expansion of e$\displaystyle ^{z}$-1. For any n, F$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) (nth degree polynomial without the constant term) maps to all of complex plane. Therefore, for ANY n, F$\displaystyle _{n}(z)$+1 maps to entire complex plane. Therefore, e$\displaystyle ^{z}$ = F$\displaystyle _{\infty}$(z) + 1 maps to entire complex plane
You don't understand the concept of limits or "infinity" at all, do you? November 30th, 2017, 01:34 PM #4 Senior Member   Joined: Sep 2016 From: USA Posts: 645 Thanks: 408 Math Focus: Dynamical systems, analytic function theory, numerics This is an impressive level of narcissism and ego even for the internet. After numerous people have pointed out your nonsense "proof" in the other thread(s) are extremely flawed and offered $e^z$ as a counterexample, you have decided to claim $e^z$ is not a counterexample, rather than just admit your mistake and spend some time learning. Breathtaking. Thanks from v8archie December 1st, 2017, 01:31 PM   #5
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$\displaystyle e^{z} = e^{x+iy} = e^{x}(\cos y+i\sin y) = 0$
$\displaystyle e^{x}\cos y=0, e^{x}\sin y=0$
$\displaystyle z=-\infty+iy$

In R, if $\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} f(x) = \infty$ or L, then $\displaystyle f(\infty) = \infty$ or f$\displaystyle (\infty)$ = L is clear,transparent, and conventional. The meaning is explicitly implied by the fact that $\displaystyle \infty$ is not a number.

As an example in complex variables,
$\displaystyle f(z)=f(x,y)= \sin z =\frac{e^{iz}-e^{-iz}}{2i}=\frac{e^{-y}(\cos x +i\sin x)-e^{y}(\cos x-i\sin x)}{2i}$
$\displaystyle f(\infty,0)= (-\sin\infty,0)\\ f(-\infty,0)= (-\sin\infty,0)\\ f(0,\infty)=(\infty,0)\\ f(0,-\infty)=(-\infty,0)\\ f(\infty,\infty)=\infty(\sin\infty + i\cos\infty)\\ f(-\infty,\infty)=\infty(-\sin\infty + i\cos\infty)\\ f(\infty,-\infty)=\infty(\sin\infty - i\cos\infty)\\ f(-\infty,-\infty)=\infty(-\sin\infty - i\cos\infty)\\$

In doing this, one unhesitatingly uses $\displaystyle e^{-\infty}$ = 0.

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 Originally Posted by zylo For any n, F$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) (nth degree polynomial without the constant term) maps to all of complex plane. Therefore, for ANY n, F$\displaystyle _{n}(z)$+1 maps to entire complex plane. Therefore, e$\displaystyle ^{z}$ = F$\displaystyle _{\infty}$(z) + 1 maps to entire complex plane
The subject is not convergence of e$\displaystyle ^{z}$, it is RANGE of e$\displaystyle ^{z}$.

A polynomial in z maps to entire complex plane for all n. Convergence is a different matter. The RANGE of infinite polynomial $\displaystyle e^{z}$ is all of complex plane, regardless of whether or not it converges. The subject is RANGE, RANGE.

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There is an infinite variety of infinite degree complex polynomials (depending on their constants); some converge and some don't. But they all map to entire complex plane by OP, i.e., their RANGE is all of complex plane.

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 Originally Posted by zylo $\displaystyle e^{z} = e^{x+iy} = e^{x}(\cos y+i\sin y) = 0$ $\displaystyle e^{x}\cos y=0, e^{x}\sin y=0$ $\displaystyle z=-\infty+iy$ In R, if $\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} f(x) = \infty$ or L, then $\displaystyle f(\infty) = \infty$ or f$\displaystyle (\infty)$ = L is clear,transparent, and conventional. The meaning is explicitly implied by the fact that $\displaystyle \infty$ is not a number. As an example in complex variables, $\displaystyle f(z)=f(x,y)= \sin z =\frac{e^{iz}-e^{-iz}}{2i}=\frac{e^{-y}(\cos x +i\sin x)-e^{y}(\cos x-i\sin x)}{2i}$ $\displaystyle f(\infty,0)= (-\sin\infty,0)\\ f(-\infty,0)= (-\sin\infty,0)\\ f(0,\infty)=(\infty,0)\\ f(0,-\infty)=(-\infty,0)\\ f(\infty,\infty)=\infty(\sin\infty + i\cos\infty)\\ f(-\infty,\infty)=\infty(-\sin\infty + i\cos\infty)\\ f(\infty,-\infty)=\infty(\sin\infty - i\cos\infty)\\ f(-\infty,-\infty)=\infty(-\sin\infty - i\cos\infty)\\$ In doing this, one unhesitatingly uses $\displaystyle e^{-\infty}$ = 0.
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Last edited by skipjack; December 2nd, 2017 at 08:30 PM. December 2nd, 2017, 07:27 AM #7 Banned Camp   Joined: Mar 2015 From: New Jersey Posts: 1,720 Thanks: 126 1) The complex polynomial P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) maps all of z to the entire complex plane, for any n (FTA: P$\displaystyle _{n}(z)$ = 0 always has a solution). 2) It may happen that P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z$\displaystyle _{0}$) approaches a limit as more terms are added in a prescribed fashion (n gets larger). That leads to the subject of convergence, not addressed here. The OP topic is the range of e$\displaystyle ^{z}$, not its convergence. (y = cos x, x,y real, converges for all x, but its range is [-1,1], i.e., not all of y. One could, for example, show the series for cos x converges for all x without knowing what it converges to (its range)). As a matter of interest, I was just showing what sin z was for various large values of |z|, "z=$\displaystyle \infty$" is way out on any ray extending from the origin. I just picked a couple specific examples. Last edited by skipjack; December 2nd, 2017 at 08:33 PM. December 2nd, 2017, 09:35 AM #8 Math Team   Joined: Dec 2013 From: Colombia Posts: 7,683 Thanks: 2664 Math Focus: Mainly analysis and algebra You're still writing nonsense and demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the subjects at hand. The equation $|z|=\infty$ is a dead giveaway. $\sin(\infty)$ and $\cos(\infty)$ are even worse, it's not even obvious what (wrong-headed) idea you have in mind for those. December 4th, 2017, 07:25 AM   #9
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 Originally Posted by zylo 1) The complex polynomial P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) maps all of z to the entire complex plane, for any n (FTA: P$\displaystyle _{n}(z)$ = 0 always has a solution). 2) It may happen that P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z$\displaystyle _{0}$) approaches a limit as more terms are added in a prescribed fashion (n gets larger). That leads to the subject of convergence, not addressed here.
On the other hand, the power series (polynomial) P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) = C has a solution z for any n (FTA). As n increases, the solution z may approach a limit, or not. Dead end point of view because for any C, P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) = C has n solutions. But interesting. December 4th, 2017, 10:04 AM   #10
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 Originally Posted by zylo On the other hand, the power series (polynomial) P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) = C has a solution z for any n (FTA). As n increases, the solution z may approach a limit, or not. Dead end point of view because for any C, P$\displaystyle _{n}$(z) = C has n solutions. But interesting.
Consider the sequence 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, etc.

It's true that $\forall n \in \mathbb N, \frac{1}{n} > 0$.

But the limit of the sequence is not greater than zero. The limit is equal to zero.

The behavior at the limit may differ from the behavior at each point. Something can be true for each $n$ yet false in the limit.

That's exactly what's happening in this case. Each partial sum of the power series for $e^z$ satisfies FTA, yet $e^z$ does not. And by the way, a power series is not a polynomial. Polynomials by definition have a finite number of terms. Tags range Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page Display Modes Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post mared Trigonometry 2 July 6th, 2014 09:13 AM kingkos Algebra 1 December 29th, 2012 01:22 AM tale Computer Science 5 May 23rd, 2012 05:16 AM stuart clark Algebra 6 June 5th, 2011 05:17 PM stuart clark Calculus 7 April 24th, 2011 12:01 PM

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