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 October 23rd, 2018, 11:13 PM #1 Newbie     Joined: Oct 2018 From: Deep Outta Space Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 A rally car in cross country race is travelling, at night, along a section of the track that is in the shape of a parabola. The function can be modelled by y = ax^2, where a = 0.14. The car starts at a point 100m west and 100m north of the apex of the corner; it travels in an easterly direction with its headlights on. There is a road sign situated at 5m east of the apex of the corner and 4m north of this point. At what point on the track will the cars headlights illuminate the road sign? Been stuck for ages with no luck. Last edited by skipjack; October 24th, 2018 at 06:43 AM.
 October 24th, 2018, 06:54 AM #2 Global Moderator   Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 19,868 Thanks: 1833 It seems a bit odd that the problem doesn't relate the directions mentioned (north, west, etc.) to the direction of the axis of the parabola. Where did you get the problem from? Have you changed any values?
 October 24th, 2018, 07:17 AM #3 Senior Member   Joined: Sep 2016 From: USA Posts: 502 Thanks: 280 Math Focus: Dynamical systems, analytic function theory, numerics The derivative of a quadratic is monotone (increasing in this case) which means that the linearization at every point (which points in the direction of the headlghts) is an underapproximation at every point. So the headlights will NEVER illuminate the sign. If you play a bit more loosely with the physical meanings, you might also say they will illuminate the sign only when the car collides with the sign.
 October 24th, 2018, 02:49 PM #4 Member   Joined: Oct 2018 From: Netherlands Posts: 39 Thanks: 3 Another way of stating it is that the shape of the parabola is convex. Therefore the headlight will always shine outside the parabola. The headlight metaphor is actually a good way to explain the concepts convex and concave!
 October 24th, 2018, 05:27 PM #5 Newbie     Joined: Oct 2018 From: Deep Outta Space Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 The question is from my Maths Assignment and I haven't changed any values.
 October 24th, 2018, 05:30 PM #6 Newbie     Joined: Oct 2018 From: Deep Outta Space Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 I've been told the car lights have to illuminate the sign. :/
 October 25th, 2018, 12:49 AM #7 Member   Joined: Oct 2018 From: Netherlands Posts: 39 Thanks: 3 I suppose that "4 m north" is really "4 m south" in our standard coordinate perception (or a = -0.14) and they want you to calculate the point where the tangent through the sign touches the parabola using differentiation. Last edited by Arisktotle; October 25th, 2018 at 01:29 AM.
 October 25th, 2018, 02:16 AM #8 Global Moderator   Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 19,868 Thanks: 1833 That wouldn't suffice to explain how the car's starting point lies on the parabola.
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 Originally Posted by skipjack That wouldn't suffice to explain how the car's starting point lies on the parabola.
I guess the only escape from that is to assume that the meters do not correspond to the coordinates. It gives us the equation:

-0.14 x^2 = x or x=-1/0.14 as the starting point corresponding to 100 meters.

Hmm, still doesn't seem to work while north and south remain reversed but that may be a glitch in the original challenge.

Last edited by Arisktotle; October 25th, 2018 at 02:34 AM.

 October 25th, 2018, 09:09 AM #10 Senior Member   Joined: Mar 2015 From: New Jersey Posts: 1,603 Thanks: 115 At first glance, assuming the sign is outside the parabola, the problem is to find where a line from the sign is tangent to the parabola- a nice little calculus problem. However, The sign is located at x=5 and y=4. The parabola at x=5 is at y=.14(25)=3.5 so the sign is inside the parabola from where you can't draw a tangent. It becomes a viable problem if the sign is at x=5 and y=-4. (Assuming x is East and y is North)

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