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 August 16th, 2018, 06:36 AM #1 Senior Member   Joined: Oct 2015 From: Greece Posts: 137 Thanks: 8 Is this calculation correct (Double Integration)? $\displaystyle w = \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} [-m \cdot g + T \cdot \frac{-x + (h - y)}{h}] \cdot dxdy = \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}}-m \cdot g \cdot dxdy + \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} T \cdot \frac{-x + (h - y)}{h} \cdot dxdy = -m \cdot g \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} dxdy + \frac{T}{h} \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} [-x + (h - y)] \cdot dxdy$ $\displaystyle I_{1} = -m \cdot g \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} dxdy$ $\displaystyle I_{2} = \frac{T}{h} \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} [-x + (h - y)] \cdot dxdy$ $\displaystyle w = I_{1} + I_{2}$ $\displaystyle I_{1} = -m \cdot g \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} dxdy = -m \cdot g \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} [x]_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} \cdot dy = -m \cdot g \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} (x_{2} - x_{1}) \cdot dy = -m \cdot g \cdot [x_{2} \cdot y - x_{1} \cdot y]_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} = -m \cdot g \cdot ( x_{2} \cdot y_{2} - x_{1} \cdot y_{2} - x_{2} \cdot y_{1} + x_{1} \cdot y_{1}) = -m \cdot g \cdot [x_{2}(y_{2}-y_{1}) - x_{1}(y_{2}-y_{1})] \Leftrightarrow I_{1} = -m \cdot g \cdot (y_{2}-y_{1}) (x_{2} - x_{1})$ $\displaystyle I_{2} = \frac{T}{h} \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} \int_{x_{1}}^{x_{2}} [-x + (h - y)] \cdot dxdy = \frac{T}{h} \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} [-\frac{x^{2}}{2} + h \cdot x - y \cdot x]_{x_{1}}^{x{2}} \cdot dy = \frac{T}{h} \cdot \int_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} [-\frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2} + h \cdot x_{2} - y \cdot x_{2} + \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2} - h \cdot x_{1} + y \cdot x_{1}] \cdot dy = \frac{T}{h} \cdot [-\frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2} \cdot y + h \cdot x_{2} \cdot y - \frac{y^{2}}{2} \cdot x_{2} + \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2} \cdot y - h \cdot x_{1} \cdot y + \frac{y^{2}}{2} \cdot x_{1}]_{y_{1}}^{y_{2}} = \frac{T}{h} \cdot [-\frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2} \cdot y_{2} + h \cdot x_{2} \cdot y_{2} - \frac{y_{2}^{2}}{2} \cdot x_{2} + \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2} \cdot y_{2} - h \cdot x_{1} \cdot y_{2} + \frac{y_{2}^{2}}{2} \cdot x_{1} + \frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2} \cdot y_{1} - h \cdot x_{2} \cdot y_{1} + \frac{y_{1}^{2}}{2} \cdot x_{2} - \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2} \cdot y_{1} + h \cdot x_{1} \cdot y_{1} - \frac{y_{1}^{2}}{2} \cdot x_{1} ] = \frac{T}{h} \cdot [ -\frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2}(y_{2} - y_{1}) + h(x_{2} \cdot y_{2} - x_{1} \cdot y_{2} - x_{2} \cdot y_{1} + x_{1} \cdot y_{1}) - \frac{y_{2}^{2}}{2}(x_{2} - x_{1}) + \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2}(y_{2} - y_{1}) + \frac{y_{1}^{2}}{2}(x_{2} - x_{1})] = \frac{T}{h} \cdot [(y_{2} - y_{1})( \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2} - \frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2}) + (x_{2} - x_{1})(\frac{y_{1}^{2}}{2} - \frac{y_{2}^{2}}{2}) + h(x_{2} \cdot y_{2} - x_{1} \cdot y_{2} - x_{2} \cdot y_{1} + x_{1} \cdot y_{1})] = \frac{T}{h} \cdot [(y_{2} - y_{1})( \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2} - \frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2}) + (x_{2} - x_{1})(\frac{y_{1}^{2}}{2} - \frac{y_{2}^{2}}{2}) + h(x_{2}(y_{2}-y_{1}) - x_{1}(y_{2}-y_{1}))] = \frac{T}{h} \cdot [(y_{2} - y_{1})( \frac{x_{1}^{2}}{2} - \frac{x_{2}^{2}}{2}) + (x_{2} - x_{1})(\frac{y_{1}^{2}}{2} - \frac{y_{2}^{2}}{2}) + h \cdot (y_{2}-y_{1})(x_{2}-x_{1})] = \frac{T}{h} \cdot [\frac{1}{2} \cdot (y_{2} - y_{1})( x_{1}^{2} - x_{2}^{2}) + \frac{1}{2} \cdot (x_{2} - x_{1})(y_{1}^{2} - y_{2}^{2}) + h \cdot (y_{2}-y_{1})(x_{2}-x_{1})]$ $\displaystyle w = -m \cdot g \cdot (y_{2}-y_{1}) (x_{2} - x_{1}) + \frac{T}{h} \cdot [\frac{1}{2} \cdot (y_{2} - y_{1})( x_{1}^{2} - x_{2}^{2}) + \frac{1}{2} \cdot (x_{2} - x_{1})(y_{1}^{2} - y_{2}^{2}) + h \cdot (y_{2}-y_{1})(x_{2}-x_{1})]$ OMG 1 hour to write the latex code, I hope I didn't do anything wrong... Last edited by skipjack; August 16th, 2018 at 01:30 PM.
 August 16th, 2018, 12:25 PM #2 Global Moderator   Joined: May 2007 Posts: 6,787 Thanks: 708 It's correct, but unnecessarily tedious. I looked at your final answer and the original statement and was able to see it is correct without writing anything down. Everything in between seems pointless. For example $I_1=-mg\int_{y_1}^{y_2}\int_{x_1}^{x_2}dxdy=-mg(y_2-y_1)(x_2-x_1)$. You don't need any intermediate steps. Thanks from topsquark and babaliaris
August 16th, 2018, 02:09 PM   #3
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 Originally Posted by mathman It's correct, but unnecessarily tedious. I looked at your final answer and the original statement and was able to see it is correct without writing anything down. Everything in between seems pointless. For example $I_1=-mg\int_{y_1}^{y_2}\int_{x_1}^{x_2}dxdy=-mg(y_2-y_1)(x_2-x_1)$. You don't need any intermediate steps.
Well probably because i don't have the experience. I'm new in integration.
It literally took me one hour lol. I'm teaching my self by the way and books doesn't show how to do calculations faster.

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 August 17th, 2018, 12:46 PM #4 Global Moderator   Joined: May 2007 Posts: 6,787 Thanks: 708 The main point to simplify is to realize that with fixed limits for x and y you can look at it as a product of single integrals. With $I_2$, you need to break it up into 3 parts, so you can then make the double integral into the product. Once you do that you will have 8 very easy integrals where 6 have a constant integrand. Thanks from babaliaris
August 18th, 2018, 12:19 AM   #5
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 Originally Posted by mathman The main point to simplify is to realize that with fixed limits for x and y you can look at it as a product of single integrals. With $I_2$, you need to break it up into 3 parts, so you can then make the double integral into the product. Once you do that you will have 8 very easy integrals where 6 have a constant integrand.
In other words, breaking Integrals to sums its easier than integrating as whole?

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 Originally Posted by babaliaris In other words, breaking Integrals to sums its easier than integrating as whole?
Yes, also recognizing when a double integral is the product of two single integrals.

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