September 29th, 2017, 04:05 AM  #1 
Newbie Joined: Sep 2017 From: Latvia/Denmark Posts: 21 Thanks: 0  derivatives and natural logarithms I don't really understand (b) and (c). Thanks beforehand. Last edited by skipjack; September 29th, 2017 at 08:54 AM. 
September 29th, 2017, 04:47 AM  #2 
Senior Member Joined: Feb 2016 From: Australia Posts: 1,847 Thanks: 661 Math Focus: Yet to find out. 
You haven't posted the question.

September 29th, 2017, 05:43 AM  #3 
Math Team Joined: Jan 2015 From: Alabama Posts: 3,264 Thanks: 902  Okay, do you know what the "laws of logarithms" are? $\displaystyle \ln(ab)= \ln(a)+ \ln(b)$ $\displaystyle \ln(a/b)= \ln(a) \ln(b)$ and $\displaystyle \ln(a^b)= b \ln(a)$ For example, (c) can be written as $\displaystyle y= \ln\left(\left(\frac{x+ 1}{x 1}\right)^{1/2}\right)= \frac{1}{2} \ln\left(\frac{x+ 1}{x 1}\right)= \frac{1}{2}\left(\ln(x+ 1) \ln(x 1)\right)$. Now, can you differentiate that? You try the others. Last edited by skipjack; September 29th, 2017 at 08:56 AM. 
September 30th, 2017, 04:49 AM  #4  
Newbie Joined: Sep 2017 From: Latvia/Denmark Posts: 21 Thanks: 0  Quote:
I tried expanding B, but did not do it correctly, as the answers don't match.  
September 30th, 2017, 06:17 AM  #5 
Math Team Joined: Jan 2015 From: Alabama Posts: 3,264 Thanks: 902 
Then you need to go back and review logarithms! One of the basic "laws of logarithms", as I said before is "$\displaystyle \ln(a^b)= b \ln(a)$". If b = 1/2, that says that $\displaystyle \ln(\sqrt{a})= \ln(a^{1/2})= (1/2) \ln(a)$. Problem (b) is $\displaystyle \ln\left(x\sqrt{3x 1}\right)$. That can be written as $\displaystyle \ln\left(x(3x 1)^{1/2}\right)$ and, by the "laws of logarithms", $\displaystyle \ln(x)+ \ln((3x 1)^{1/2})= \ln(x)+ (1/2)\ln(3x 1)$. Of course to do problems like this, you have to know that the derivative of ln(x) is 1/x. And you need to know the "chain rule": the derivative of ln(3x 1) is $\displaystyle \frac{1}{3x 1}$ times the derivative of 3x 1 which is 3. Putting all of those together the derivative of $\displaystyle \ln\left(x\sqrt{3x1}\right)$, which is the same as the derivative of $\displaystyle \ln(x)+ (1/2)\ln(3x 1)$, is $\displaystyle \frac{1}{x}+ \frac{3}{2(3x 1)}$. Last edited by skipjack; September 30th, 2017 at 08:24 AM. 

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