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 November 21st, 2012, 08:10 AM #1 Member   Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 stationary points Find the stationary points of the dierential equation d3x/dt3 +dx/dt+d2x/dt2 = x^3 + 0x^2 -39x -70 where x = x(t). Determine whether the stationary points are stable or unstable. how would i approach this? thanks
 November 21st, 2012, 08:42 AM #2 Math Team   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,409 Thanks: 6 Re: stationary points I suggest you start by looking up the definition of "stationary point"! What is the definition?
 November 21st, 2012, 08:48 AM #3 Member   Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Re: stationary points a point where f '(x)=0
 November 21st, 2012, 09:22 AM #4 Math Team   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,409 Thanks: 6 Re: stationary points Which makes absolutely no sense here because there is no "f" in what you gave! But I suspect you are recalling that definition from Calculus. For differential equations, the definition is a little different. The basic definition really applies to systems of first order equations but the result is essentially that x and all of its derivatives are 0. And that is equivalent to setting the right side equal to 0. Then solve for x. Now, what distinguishes "stable" and "unstable" equilibrium points? (Once you have solved the equation, looking at the factors will answer your question.)
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 Originally Posted by HallsofIvy Which makes absolutely no sense here because there is no "f" in what you gave! But I suspect you are recalling that definition from Calculus. For differential equations, the definition is a little different. The basic definition really applies to systems of first order equations but the result is essentially that x and all of its derivatives are 0. And that is equivalent to setting the right side equal to 0. Then solve for x. Now, what distinguishes "stable" and "unstable" equilibrium points? (Once you have solved the equation, looking at the factors will answer your question.)
yes i was recalling the basic definition for it from last year calculus.

so make the rhs equal to 0 and solve from there ok thanks

and the difference is that a stable point is an attractor per say as the system we are working with alwys comes back to that point, with unstable its like repeller moves them away.

 November 21st, 2012, 11:51 AM #6 Math Team   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,409 Thanks: 6 Re: stationary points Which means you need to look at the sign on either side of the equilibrium points.

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