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July 8th, 2015, 11:21 PM   #1
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puzzle in the "liber al vel legis" (1904)

I hope it is ok to post this in this subforum. Does anyone know this puzzle and has seen a solution like the following before: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008303142425

I will not try defend the puzzles ideological background nor comment on Aleister Crowley himself, I'd like to treat it AS IF IT WERE an actual puzzle. The original cipher / puzzle / riddle as found in the "liber al vel legis" (or "book of the law"), respectively as it is traditionally multiplied (4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL) is "translated" into letters only, then into numbers only. I think the most important step is the "double translation". It brings up the question of how to treat the number 24 (as either the letter X or the letters B and D), and then the question of how to reunite the number- and letter part which are split at first.

Again, this is the "puzzle" I'm talking about: 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL

this is the "solution":


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It presumably follows the general principles of his other ciphers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...eister_Crowley

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The solution presented is quite different from that, mainly because of the 24 = X / B D

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this is probably the most interesting "application" of the whole "idea" that emerges from the solution of the puzzle:

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July 15th, 2015, 11:07 AM   #5
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anyway, the basic claim about that puzzle is that it has a closed logical solution.

that: 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg

instead of:

4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL + X = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg

what do you think about that?
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Quote:
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that: 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg

instead of:

4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL + X = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg
Why are you giving us 2 identical links?
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they aren't identical but virtually a contrastive pair.

4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg

instead of:

4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL + x = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg

this way it's less misleading.

"4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL + x = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg"

follows the general principles of entropy in information theory: it assumes that if you are to arrive at solution "http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg", something needs to be "added" to the original puzzle. in other words that it has no closed logical solution.

"4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg"

as opposed to this claims that the original puzzle "4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL" is superposable with "http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg".

polemically phrased you could say it brings back to information theory's mind that:

a) the usage of the very term "entropy" is misleading to say the least, if not scientifically corrupt. it "mimics" the fundamental status entropy has in physics and tries to rake this status for it's own purposes underhand. as far as any presently known theory of science is concerned, such a strategy is dishonest, if not dangerous.

b) like any other imaginable, thinkable science altogether, information theory depends on formal logic. you cannot "override" rules of formal logic by theory since you need formal logic for theory in the first place.
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Merci Monsieur.
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where did you leave your "B" from mathhelpforum btw
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"Denis" was already taken, so I added "B".

31, 32, 62, 43, 74, 22 = denisb

Agree?
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