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July 8th, 2015, 11:21 PM  #1 
Newbie Joined: Jul 2015 From: germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 0  puzzle in the "liber al vel legis" (1904)
I hope it is ok to post this in this subforum. Does anyone know this puzzle and has seen a solution like the following before: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008303142425 I will not try defend the puzzles ideological background nor comment on Aleister Crowley himself, I'd like to treat it AS IF IT WERE an actual puzzle. The original cipher / puzzle / riddle as found in the "liber al vel legis" (or "book of the law"), respectively as it is traditionally multiplied (4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL) is "translated" into letters only, then into numbers only. I think the most important step is the "double translation". It brings up the question of how to treat the number 24 (as either the letter X or the letters B and D), and then the question of how to reunite the number and letter part which are split at first. Again, this is the "puzzle" I'm talking about: 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL this is the "solution": Last edited by skipjack; July 9th, 2015 at 07:35 AM. 
July 9th, 2015, 07:19 AM  #2 
Global Moderator Joined: Nov 2006 From: UTC 5 Posts: 16,046 Thanks: 932 Math Focus: Number theory, computational mathematics, combinatorics, FOM, symbolic logic, TCS, algorithms 
It presumably follows the general principles of his other ciphers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...eister_Crowley Last edited by skipjack; December 16th, 2015 at 07:35 AM. 
July 9th, 2015, 07:39 AM  #3 
Newbie Joined: Jul 2015 From: germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 
The solution presented is quite different from that, mainly because of the 24 = X / B D
Last edited by skipjack; December 16th, 2015 at 07:35 AM. 
July 10th, 2015, 01:15 AM  #4 
Newbie Joined: Jul 2015 From: germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 
this is probably the most interesting "application" of the whole "idea" that emerges from the solution of the puzzle: 
July 15th, 2015, 11:07 AM  #5 
Newbie Joined: Jul 2015 From: germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 
anyway, the basic claim about that puzzle is that it has a closed logical solution. that: 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg instead of: 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL + X = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg what do you think about that? 
July 18th, 2015, 09:11 PM  #6  
Math Team Joined: Oct 2011 From: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,072 Thanks: 622  Quote:
 
July 19th, 2015, 09:40 AM  #7 
Newbie Joined: Jul 2015 From: germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 
they aren't identical but virtually a contrastive pair. 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg instead of: 4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL + x = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg this way it's less misleading. "4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL + x = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg" follows the general principles of entropy in information theory: it assumes that if you are to arrive at solution "http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg", something needs to be "added" to the original puzzle. in other words that it has no closed logical solution. "4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL = http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg" as opposed to this claims that the original puzzle "4638ABK24ALGMOR3YX2489RPSTOVAL" is superposable with "http://i.imgur.com/ZLjstOM.jpg". polemically phrased you could say it brings back to information theory's mind that: a) the usage of the very term "entropy" is misleading to say the least, if not scientifically corrupt. it "mimics" the fundamental status entropy has in physics and tries to rake this status for it's own purposes underhand. as far as any presently known theory of science is concerned, such a strategy is dishonest, if not dangerous. b) like any other imaginable, thinkable science altogether, information theory depends on formal logic. you cannot "override" rules of formal logic by theory since you need formal logic for theory in the first place. 
July 19th, 2015, 09:44 AM  #8 
Math Team Joined: Oct 2011 From: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,072 Thanks: 622 
Merci Monsieur.

July 19th, 2015, 09:46 AM  #9 
Newbie Joined: Jul 2015 From: germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 
where did you leave your "B" from mathhelpforum btw 
July 19th, 2015, 11:33 AM  #10 
Math Team Joined: Oct 2011 From: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,072 Thanks: 622 
"Denis" was already taken, so I added "B". 31, 32, 62, 43, 74, 22 = denisb Agree? 

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