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November 2nd, 2012, 07:04 PM   #1
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Proving that nothing does not exist

I wasn't sure where to put this thread, but here it goes. I applied some mathematical view to the daily language while studying demonstration.

Proving that nothing does not exist

Consider the following hypothesis by definition:
1. (There's nothing) -> (There's the absence of everything)
2. (There's nothing) -> (There's the absence of everything) -> (There's the absence of the absence of everything) -> (There's everything) -> ~(There's the absence of everything)
And consider the following hypothesis by logic:
3. (There's nothing) v ~(There's nothing)
4. ~[(There's the absence of everything) ^ ~(There's the absence of everything)]
By 1 and 2, we have:
5. (There's nothing) -> (There's the absence of everything) ^ ~(There's the absence of everything)
By 5 and 3, we have:
6. [(There's the absence of everything) ^ ~(There's the absence of everything)] v ~(There's nothing)
By 6 and 4, we have:
7. ~(There's nothing)

- Cause "everything" includes the "absence of everything", since "absence of everything" is something.
- Law of excluded middle
- Law of non-contradiction

As a result, the space is not full of nothing. Cause nothing does not exist.

Is the demonstration right?
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November 2nd, 2012, 08:44 PM   #2
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Re: Proving that nothing does not exist

I think the ancient greeks also reasoned that nothing cannot exist, but their argument was not as elaborate as yours.

Their reasoning was something like, 'suppose what exists is divided some way, that which divides it must be something that does not exist, and this is a contradiction, for if IT does not exist, how can IT divide something else?!?

So the greeks had no symbol for zero because they refused to invent something that cannot exist, finding the idea 'existence of nonexistence' quite objectionable.

Zero exists and is very useful... but you run into problems when you try to use it to divide.

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Re: Proving that nothing does not exist

Originally Posted by charlie_sheep
Is the demonstration right?
No, it is an antinomy based on the loose definitions of "something" and "nothing".
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Re: Proving that nothing does not exist

Have read about these theories in a blog somewhere on the internet. There was even an argument and what i concluded from that was nothing does not exist as nothing mean no presence and around us there is air every where if you know what i mean then you will sure get it. If there is air that means there is something every where around us but not nothing.
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Re: Proving that nothing does not exist

IMHO anything can exist in the imagination, depends on the creativity of the dreamer...Some imagination can become reality, like 0. Zero is a real, rational, even integer number.

BTW it seems not well known that the Maya of the Yukatan Peninsula actually had 2 advanced positional base 20 number systems and both contained a symbol for 0, around 200 A.D.

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Re: Proving that nothing does not exist

There's a whopping huge cosmic interchange out there.
Half the time, "X" switches positions with "NOW".
And this is the solution to many ageless puzzles.
Follow me.

To get going, we must first solve this mystery:
-did it "start" or was it "always there"?
-was there "always nothing" or was there "something"?
If it "started", then right before "the start" there was "nothing".
Why? Simple: if there was "something", you wouldn't get a "start".
Instead, you would get a "carry on".
Agree? Good. Let's carry on.

Yes, I heard you...and I see it too: if we can prove that "nothing" is
impossible, then by default there was always something. So let's do a
nothing analysis.

If we try and imagine "nothing" existing, we can't: try it. Darn it, we're
always left with a handful of darkness, or a chunk of space, or a tiny wee
atom thay simply refuses to disappear. Sorry to disappoint you, "Big Bang"
pushers, but if as you say there was nothing, then all of a sudden, out of
nowhere, this mysterious "BANG", then tell us: what banged?

Well, fellow philosophers, we've managed to kick nothing out. Therefore,
there was always something. Hey: in other words, we got something out of
nothing...who says philosophers don't make jokes!

Think of it: there was always something. Always. You got it: we've just
established a past eternity, or a past infinity. Good work.

Gee, since past infinity means no beginning, then it automatically follows
that there is no ending: you can't have one without the other. Hey, look
at what we've just done: established a future eternity, in other words,
a future infinity...Wow-Wee.

Hey-hey, we're really getting somewhere. We now all agree on a two-way
infinite flow. Let's depict this using a simple straight line. Let's show
where we are "NOW" at the middle of that line, the "past" on the left, and
the "future" on the right. Let's see:
Clear? Sure is. Before we proceed further toward "The Answer", let's pause
here and reflect deeply on our "two-way infinity" diagram. We can clearly
see two baffling facts:
1) Since infinity is equal to infinity (as 2 equals 2) then the past is
always equal to the future, no matter when the "NOW" is.
2) Therefore, we always were, always are and always will be "right in the
middle of it all".

Forward: "The Answer" awaits. It has been proposed and it is believed that
space is curved, that there is no such animal as a straight line, and that
everything (not only woman) moves in a curvy fashion; sort of elliptical.
Well, always "being straight" ain't all that much fun, so let's accept this
curvature concept. If we don't, then we gotta leave our "two-way infinity"
diagram the way it is, with stuff moving left and right eternally straight
...and that's boooooring...

Ok dokay. Now, let's apply this curvistic and ellipsic knowledge to our
infinite flow diagram. And here's what we get:
                          --->    X     <----
                       /                       \
                      /                         \
                      \                         /
                       \         NOW           /
How does that grab you, honey? We can clearly see, beyond the shadow of
Galileo, that not only is the past heading toward the future, but also that
the future is heading toward the past. Hey: maybe we've just discovered the
origin of the expression "the past always catches up with you".

Finally, we're at "The Big Cosmic X:NOW Interchange". For the 64 thousand
dollar question: what the heck happens at point "X" when these 2 rushing
infinities meet? Big crash? Well, don't worry. It's very simple. Since all
is smooth and symmetrical out there, the "NOW" and the "X" will simply
change places, and all carries on as olde positional swap.
Look see:
                       /          |           \  
                      /          NOW           \
                      \                        /
                       \                      /
                         --->     X      <---
Ain't it all clear now? Life carries on, another "X" to shoot for, meet at
"X" again, perform the cosmic hop...eternity right and left. In other words,
we're all being taken for an infinite ride.

I hear some of you objecting: that last flow diagram shows that for half
the time, the past is moving ahead while the future is in reverse gear.
Good point. But you'll agree that this does answer many puzzling questions:
1) Why do we feel we're wasting half our time living in the past?
2) Why do we often feel there's no future ahead?
3) Why do we get the feeling we're headed in the wrong direction?

Well, let's figure out where we are after all this. We've established that
we're always right in the middle of things, we're all in for a long ride,
there's a big "X" somewhere out there, and we're getting nowhere fast half
the tell you the truth, I'm still as confused as ever.

It was nice, you know: on the farm, 5 years old, real secure on that sready
piece of flat earth. All I had to do was stay put, keep away from that deep
edge a couple of miles off. But they started to educate me: all that
rotating, ellipsing and spinning stuff. Well, think I'll forget all about
these deep questions. No more. Over and out. maybe. Just maybe it did all start with nothing.
How can I make this tiny wee atom vanish? Let's give it another shot. Now,
if I imagine a huge pair of magical hands cupping up everything, squeezing
it all down, then making it all vanish with the big POUFF like they do in
magic shows...Ya! That's it! I see nothing!

...Oh no: that big pair of hands is still there.
...Suddenly, I'm very, very, very tired.
...I hear marbles dropping all over the place.
...They're coming to get me...HA-HA! HA-HA!

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If nothing existed it would still exist as nothing. Existence is infinite, time or substance is only a way of measuring parts of infinite existence. Again if nothing that you or anything could consider
to be anything, would still exist as nothing, due to infinite existence. I hope you agree.
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Beer soaked ramblings follow.

Okay. Here's the poop,
the whole poop,
and nothing but the poop.
You're trying to prove
that the universe
is all for nothing.
All matter,
all energy, all life,
it's just this
big bang glitch.
Expanding universe
will eventually contract
into a super dense
black hole.
Gravitational forces will be
so strong that everything
will get squeezed into
a point of zero dimension,
and "poof" the center
disappears. No space, no time,
no life, no afterlife,
Nada, zilch, zip, zero.

---The Zero Theorem

The Big Nothing.
That's what the Heys want.
They worship nothing.
Just listen to this Hey propaganda:
Hey! (Nothing lasts forever.)
Heey!! (Nothing is worth fighting for.)
Heeey!!! (Yes, we have no bananas.)

---The Tick (Season 2, Episode 11)
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December 6th, 2015, 07:20 AM   #9
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Of course nothing exists.

I challenge anyone to use a toilet seat without the 'nothing' part and then assert that nothing does not exist.

Topologically speaking if nothing does not exist then a doughnut is identical to potato.
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potato potaato, Where does nothing touch everything. Nothing still is very important thing without nothing existing we could not have the contrast of something existing.
I feel it relates to yin and yang.
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