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August 29th, 2019, 05:51 AM  #1 
Newbie Joined: Aug 2019 From: India Posts: 23 Thanks: 1  How to prove that a rational algebraic expression is capable of all values?
Well, I want to express myself using an example from Higher Algebra by Hall and Knight . Find the limits between which a must lie in order that $\displaystyle \frac{ax^2  7x +5} {5x^27x+a} $ may be capable of all values, x being any real quantity. Solution: Put $\displaystyle \frac{ax^27x+5} {5x^27x+a} = y $ then $\displaystyle (a5y)x^2  7x(1y)+(5ay) = 0 $ In order that the values of x found from this quadratic may be real the expression $\displaystyle 49(1y)^2  4(a5y)(5ay)$ must be positive, that is, $\displaystyle (4920a)y^2 + 2(2a^2+1)y +(4920a)$ must be positive; hence $\displaystyle (2a^2 +1)^2  (4920a)^2 $must be negative or zero, and $\displaystyle 4920a $ must be be positive. Now $\displaystyle (2a^2 +1)^2  (4920a)^2 $ is negative or zero, according as $\displaystyle 2(a^210a+25)\times 2(a^2+10a24)$ is negative or zero that is, according as $\displaystyle 4(a5)^2(a+12)(a2) $ is negative or zero. This expression is negative as long as a lies between $\displaystyle 2$ and $\displaystyle 12$ and for such values $\displaystyle 4920a$ is positive; the expression is zero when $\displaystyle a=5 , 12 , or 2 $ but $\displaystyle 4920a$ is negative when $\displaystyle a=5$. Hence the limiting values are 2 and 12 , and a may have any intermediate value. I have lot of problems in this, so first question is : How does that prove that $\displaystyle \frac{ax^2 7x +5} {5x^27x+a}$ is capable of all values? We just have proved that x will be real between those limiting values? Now, when we assumed $\displaystyle y = \frac{ax^2  7x + 5} {5x^2  7x +a} $ and we multiplied y with $\displaystyle 5x^2  7x + a$ it is pretty obvious thing that when you multiply a fraction by its denominator you will certainly get numerator, and then we subtracted $\displaystyle y\times (5x^27x+a)$ from $\displaystyle ax^2  7x +5$ which must be equal to zero as we are subtracting not two equal things but two same things. Then, we are treating the expression $\displaystyle (a5y)x^2  7x(1y) + (5ay) = 0 $ a quadratic but I want say that y is concealing an expression and when you put it in you will get zero so this is not a equation involving two unknowns. How can you go on solving it? I hope that experienced people over here will understand my problem and will help me. Thank You 
August 29th, 2019, 08:09 AM  #2 
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August 29th, 2019, 08:11 AM  #3 
Newbie Joined: Aug 2019 From: India Posts: 23 Thanks: 1 
I was saying that x will be real between those limiting values of a.
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August 29th, 2019, 09:27 AM  #4 
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The aim was to show that the rational expression, i.e. $y$, which is a function of $x$ and $a$, where $x$ is real, can have any real value if $a$ satisfies certain conditions (to be found). That means that if $a$ has some value that satisfies those conditions, you could choose any real value, and it would then be possible (by solving a quadratic equation) to find a real value of $x$ such that $y$ equals the value you chose. Once you've chosen values for $a$ and $y$, the quadratic equation for $x$ will have real coefficients that you can find easily, as they're already known in terms of $a$ and $y$. 
August 29th, 2019, 09:55 AM  #5 
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Okay. Means for any value of y I can find a real x. Wow! Thank you Sir your understanding is great because it was very hard to understand what was going on in the mind of Mr. Hall and Mr. Knight. Thank you.


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