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October 18th, 2018, 01:38 PM  #1 
Senior Member Joined: Oct 2016 From: Arizona Posts: 139 Thanks: 28 Math Focus: Frame Theory is pretty awesome, and it's ripe for undergraduate research!  Inequality tips
Hi, so I'm working on an inequality problem, and the problem gives you that $a,b,c$ are real numbers and $a+b+c=3$. Using this and Cauchy Schwarz, I was able to get that $a^2+b^2+c^2 \ge 3$ and $3 \le ab+bc+ca \le 3$. This helps out, but there is still $abc$ I would like to know something about, but can't seem to figure out any bounds on it. Does anyone have any ideas? Specifically there is a term $+18abc$ which I'd like to be $\ge 0$ and I've written that as $2(a+b+c)^2(abc)$ but we obviously can't conclude that $abc$ is \ge0 since they are real numbers. Sorry if this is confusing. I'm mainly looking for ideas on what I could do. 
October 18th, 2018, 02:25 PM  #2 
Senior Member Joined: Sep 2016 From: USA Posts: 502 Thanks: 280 Math Focus: Dynamical systems, analytic function theory, numerics 
It seems you are leaving out some information. You can't conclude anything about the sign of $abc$ for exactly the reasons you have stated.

October 18th, 2018, 02:39 PM  #3 
Senior Member Joined: Oct 2016 From: Arizona Posts: 139 Thanks: 28 Math Focus: Frame Theory is pretty awesome, and it's ripe for undergraduate research!  
October 18th, 2018, 04:14 PM  #4 
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There are no bounds to $abc$. For instance, with a large positive $bound$ take the following values: $a = +bound$ $b = bound+4$ $c = 1$ The special case is where $a, b, c$ are all positive real numbers. Not hard to see that $0 <= abc <= 1$ Last edited by Arisktotle; October 18th, 2018 at 04:17 PM. 
October 18th, 2018, 04:23 PM  #5 
Senior Member Joined: Oct 2016 From: Arizona Posts: 139 Thanks: 28 Math Focus: Frame Theory is pretty awesome, and it's ripe for undergraduate research!  Okay, thank you! I will try to incorporate this term into the rest of the inequality. I appreciate it!

October 19th, 2018, 11:40 AM  #6 
Senior Member Joined: Oct 2016 From: Arizona Posts: 139 Thanks: 28 Math Focus: Frame Theory is pretty awesome, and it's ripe for undergraduate research!  This is my 5th inequality proof and it's crazy how many tricks of the trade I learned, I had to completely change my approach! Lesson: if an approach isn't working, don't keep trying it 

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