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November 23rd, 2017, 12:05 AM   #11
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But I don't understand a thing in the last post. Please, someone will write it in a simple English.
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It's a proof showing that there is no 'largest number'. See countryboy's post #2 for an explanation in simple English.
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November 23rd, 2017, 04:06 AM   #12
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What about this idea

I think iff A is the biggest number, there is also A plus 1 [A+1] number. So there no biggest number in real number system.
But in fractions smaller than one, one is the biggest. Right? {Also, if it is not inlcude in the this number system because 0.9999999... = 1]
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No. There is no biggest fraction smaller than 1. $0.999\dots$ and $1$ just represent two infinite sequences that have the same integer limit. The limit is the real number. This is a definition of the real numbers.

Decimal notations aren't numbers, they are representations of numbers.
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November 23rd, 2017, 04:44 AM   #14
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Why?
You have an example that I am not right. Why I can't define 0.999... as 1.
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No, there is no largest "fraction less than one". Suppose there were - that is, suppose $\displaystyle 0< \frac{a}{b}< 1$. We can, of course, take both a and b positive. Now look at $\displaystyle \frac{\frac{a}{b}+ 1}{2}$, the "average" of the fraction and one.

$\displaystyle \frac{\frac{a}{b}+ 1}{2}= \frac{a+ b}{2b}$.

We can prove that is "a fraction less than one". It is a fraction and $\displaystyle 1- \frac{a+ b}{2b}= \frac{2b- (a+ b)}{2b}= \frac{b- a}{2b}$. $\displaystyle b > a$ because $\displaystyle \frac{a}{b}< 1$ so this is positive so 1 is larger than $\displaystyle \frac{a+ b}{2b}$.

We can prove this fraction is larger than $\displaystyle \frac{a}{b}$. $\displaystyle \frac{a+ b}{2b}- \frac{a}{b}= \frac{a+ b- 2a}{2b}= \frac{b- a}{2b}$. Again, that is positive as $\displaystyle \frac{a+ b}{2b}$ is larger than $\displaystyle \frac{a}{b}$.

That is, for any fraction less than 1 there exist another, larger, fraction less than 1.

You don't need to "define 0.999... as 1", it is 1! But because it is equal to 1, it is not "a fraction less than 1" so it is not the "largest fraction less than 1".

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What shall I do

I need to put on (a/b) the fraction 0.999... or 1, to see that the expressions are equal or they are not equal and where it is going to.
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Why?
Why I can't define 0.999... as 1.
0.999... is equal to 1, but 0.999... isn't a fraction less than one (because it is one).

As to "why can't I define...": you can define anything you like, but if it doesn't agree with the standard system, it isn't the standard system. You can study your system to see if it's internally consistent and whether it has any interesting or useful results, but any such results are about your system, not the standard one.
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I get it.
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The short and simple answer is that there is no largest real number.

If L is the largest number, then L + 1 is larger than the largest number, which makes no sense at all.
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Which was said 18 responses ago.
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