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April 13th, 2017, 04:40 PM   #1
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absolute value but in set notation

|x|>=0

but as set notation

I have not seen this written, is there another way other than always true, reall number symbol?

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by definition $|x| \geq 0$ so yes the set

$\{x:|x|\geq 0\} = \mathbb{R}$

this does assume that $x \in \mathbb{R}$

Absolute value means something a little different for complex numbers than for reals but it is still true that

$|x|\geq 0,~\forall x \in \mathbb{C}$

so if $x \in \mathbb{C}$

$\{x: |x| \geq 0 \} = \mathbb{C}$
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@OP if you're not sure about some of the notation and symbols, have a skim over this.
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Thanks! Wanted to answer it but was worried, as did not want to end up answering it like my teacher if there was other was to answer it.
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One of these is the way he answered it, I saw it as saying x is equal to or larger than zero. If wrong or right, I wonder why -oo would be included...unless of course it's just me miss reading it, we don't have access to a better copy
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Is there something about your teachers answer that you don't understand? It looks good to me. There are many ways to show what has been shown in this question.
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One of these is the way he answered it, I saw it as saying x is equal to or larger than zero. If wrong or right, I wonder why -oo would be included...unless of course it's just me miss reading it, we don't have access to a better copy
it's tough to tell but it sounds like you don't understand what $|x|$ means

$|x| = \begin{cases}-x &x<0 \\\phantom{-}0 &x=0 \\ \phantom{-}x &x>0 \end{cases}$

so

$|-\infty| = \infty > 0$

thus it would be included.
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Is there something about your teachers answer that you don't understand? It looks good to me. There are many ways to show what has been shown in this question.
Thanks, yes I am unsure of why negative infinity would be included since that's smaller than 0 I thought we wanted all real numbers and they had to be positive since we can't have a negative absolute value?
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$|-\infty| = \infty > 0$
I strongly disagree with this. $\infty \notin \mathbb R$ and $\lvert \cdot \rvert$ is not defined on the extended reals.

<minor rant>
And while I'm at it, y'all are raising my blood pressure writing $\{x : \text{foo}\}$, leading yet another generation of students to be confused about unrestricted comprehension. This includes the tutorial linked earlier in this thread which starts off with this erroneous example. Frege and Russell had this conversation over a century ago, let's all learn something from it.
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I strongly disagree with this. $\infty \notin \mathbb R$ and $\lvert \cdot \rvert$ is not defined on the extended reals.
oh give me a break.

I'm speaking within the context of this problem to a student grappling with the concept of absolute value.

This is not the place to discuss whether or not infinity is a real number or not.
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