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 AndreyShvets March 23rd, 2016 04:13 AM

A new approach to the theory of numbers

"Mathematics considers natural numbers as points on a number line. I think it is a bit lopsided. Natural numbers are not just a series of points on a number line with an interval of 1. Let's try to build another series of intervals 3 ^ 0.5. ......"
Andrey Shvets: The proof (?) of Fermat's theorem

 Country Boy March 23rd, 2016 07:17 AM

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 Originally Posted by AndreyShvets (Post 528939) "Mathematics considers natural numbers as points on a number line. I think it is a bit lopsided. Natural numbers are not just a series of points on a number line with an interval of 1.
Nobody said "just a series of points". That is one useful way of thinking about them.

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 Let's try to build another series of intervals 3 ^ 0.5. ......" Andrey Shvets: The proof (?) of Fermat's theorem
You are, unfortunately, in your website, using words you apparently do not understand, since you are using them in strange ways- particularly "axiom" and "algorithm".

 studiot March 23rd, 2016 10:50 AM

Your discourse suffers a fatal flaw.

You have defined numbers in general and natural numbers in particular using addition.
So you need a definition of addition to have definition of numbers.
But you need numbers to be able to have a definition of addition.

Which argument is therefore shown to be circular and invalid.

A suitable set of axioms for the natural numbers is

N1 : 1 is a natural number as its successor number

N2 : If a set of objects contains 1 and the successor of each of its members, then it contains every natural number

N3 : There is no natural number for which 1 is a successor

This set allows the deduction of the standard laws of arithmetic.
Does yours?

Note there is no need to introduce undefined concepts like number lines, intervals etc.

 Country Boy March 23rd, 2016 01:07 PM

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 Originally Posted by studiot (Post 528995) Your discourse suffers a fatal flaw. Your argument is circular. You have defined numbers in general and natural numbers in particular using addition. So you need a definition of addition to have definition of numbers. But you need numbers to be able to have a definition of addition. Which argument is therefore shown to be circular and invalid. A suitable set of axioms for the natural numbers is N1 : 1 is a natural number as its successor number
Taking "1" and "successor" as undefined term, of course.

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 N2 : If a set of objects contains 1 and the successor of each of its members, then it contains every natural number N3 : There is no natural number for which 1 is a successor This set allows the deduction of the standard laws of arithmetic. Does yours? Note there is no need to introduce undefined concepts like number lines, intervals etc.

 studiot March 24th, 2016 04:45 AM

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 Taking "1" and "successor" as undefined term, of course.
Thank you for bringing to my attention the missing word, my phraseology should have been
N1 : 1 is a natural number as is its successor number.

Actually my post was meant as an incentive to explore this development more fully.
Of course axioms follow definitions, so one and successor (if any) are defined first,
But axioms are often shorter than definitions so I omitted all this at first presentation.

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