April 10th, 2018, 04:00 PM | #41 |
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April 11th, 2018, 06:21 AM | #42 |
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$\displaystyle Z[\sqrt{d}]$ is not well-ordered: (0,1) doesn't have a least element. $\displaystyle -\varepsilon < a-b\sqrt{d} < \varepsilon\\ -\varepsilon /b < a/b - \sqrt{d} < \varepsilon/b < \varepsilon$ and I can choose a/b greater than and as close to $\displaystyle \sqrt{d}$ as I like (but never equal). |
April 11th, 2018, 07:24 AM | #43 |
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Let's compromise. $\displaystyle Z[\sqrt{d}]\equiv (a,b)=z$ is an Abelian Group. (a,b)+(c,e)=(a+c,b+e) assoc and comm ok e=(0,0) z+e=z z+(-z)=e |
April 11th, 2018, 08:54 AM | #44 |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2017 From: United Kingdom Posts: 311 Thanks: 109 Math Focus: Number Theory, Algebraic Geometry | Would you mind defining precisely what you mean by $\equiv$ here? Anyway, of course the group $(\mathbb{Z}[\sqrt{d}],+)$ is isomorphic to the group $(\mathbb{Z} \times \mathbb{Z},+)$ of ordered pairs of integers. But the groups are not literally equal: the elements of the first group are all real numbers, while the elements of the second are all ordered pairs of integers. |
April 12th, 2018, 07:02 AM | #45 |
Banned Camp Joined: Mar 2015 From: New Jersey Posts: 1,720 Thanks: 124 | Is Z[sqrtD] isomorphic to the rational numbers/
An interesting question (isomorphism): Is there a 1:1 mapping from $\displaystyle Z[\sqrt{D}]\equiv a+b\sqrt{D}$ to the rational numbers expressed as an ordered pair $\displaystyle (a,b)$ st $\displaystyle (ef)'=e'f'$ where unprimed are the rationals. Try: $\displaystyle e=(a,b), e'=a+b\sqrt{D}$. Then $\displaystyle ef=(a,b)(c,d)=(ac,bd)$, and $\displaystyle (ef)'=ac+bd\sqrt{D}$ $\displaystyle e'f'= (ac+bdD)+(ad+bc)\sqrt{D}\neq (ef)'$ I didn't think it would work. I was just setting up a train of thought to find a mapping that works. And don't forget addition: (a,b)+(c,d) = (ad+bc,bd). Looks daunting. (I do not like formal set-theoretic language when unnecessary) |
April 12th, 2018, 07:29 AM | #46 | |
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